Middle East Conflict

[BlueAnorak]

wonder how long we have left

A couple of decades tops.
Someone will see a weakness and push it to far and that will lead to WW3. Nuclear winter etc.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Get rid of the former and you'd get rid of half of the latter.

It's idiotic mumbo jumbo nonsense from an intelligent species who should by the 21st century, know better.

'get rid of religion' is to my mind a fairly meaningless statement without acknowledgement of the impossibility of doing so.

Remove that defining feature in people's individual moral view and it would be replaced by something else that would near enough replicate it - whether from cultural or political invention.

There is no utopia for humankind this century where nothing like religion will exist. Swift's Big Enders and Little Enders will always arise to fill the vacuum.

 

[BlueAnorak]

All muslim countries? Don't be ridiculous.

Certainly the majority - there is a minority that get it - especially only those with a Western leaning tradition (Turkey, Balkans ) and those with substantial minorities.
Even then, it can go horribly wrong - e.g. Iraq. It really is horrendous what goes on in some places you wouldnt think are that bad

 

[Bazzmand Show]

I've found the "ethnic cleansing" term thrown about a lot and it's just not accurate at all. The Palestinian population has over doubled since 1990 - so why are people just casually dropping this line in?

 

[Bluemoon_420]

Why are they dangerous places to live for Christians. Surely if they can mix in Europe they can mix in Muslim majority countries.

Ignore him, he’s another ignoramus that knows sweet FA about how much love there is between Christians and Muslims in Palestine. I have Palestinian Christian friends and have met many more over the years that no longer live there and they’ve all cited its due to the occupation.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Muslim countries are dangerous places for Christians to live, in 2009 there were 50,000 in Gaza and now there are reportedly just over a 1000.

There's also nearly zero Jews in a single Muslim country.

Whereas 30% of the Israeli population is actually Palestinian / Muslim. Says a lot.

 

[The blue phantom]

I've found the "ethnic cleansing" term thrown about a lot and it's just not accurate at all. The Palestinian population has over doubled since 1990 - so why are people just casually dropping this line in?

Seems to be what's happening currently

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Seems to be what's happening currently

2800 Palestinians dead of a population of 5 million? Tragic yes.

Ethnic cleansing no.

If Israel wanted to they could level Gaza in a few days and they aren't doing that.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Ask yourself this, why did Hamas do what it did last week? Why is Israel attracting universal condemnation for quite simply defending itself from continuous attack? It's bizarre that so many people challenge Israel but they don't challenge the aggravating factor which is continued Hamas terrorism. If Hamas didn't do what it did, what is happening now would never have happened. Hamas is responsible for thousands of Palestinian deaths but that's what they want.

I ask again what do you seriously expect them to do? 1000+ Israeli's were murdered last week and Israel is responding. Seriously what is the proper response other than a large military response directed at source? You can't argue that it hasn't been effective because how many Hamas terrorists have jumped the fence since? A ground campaign is imminent and that will reduce Hamas to essentially nothing and the attacks will then ultimately stop.

It's easy for us to cry about humanity whilst sat in our cosy warm homes thousands of miles from these problems. I challenge anyone facing imminent attack to ask for anything else. If it was me then forget humanity, I'd drop two bombs just to make sure if that meant saving the lives of myself, my family and friends.

I won’t sit here and pretend I wouldn’t feel the same. You’ve pretty much nailed the problem but unfortunately you’re as far away from the solution as I am.

I pretty much agree with the body of what you are saying but take issue with the start and the end of your argument.

Pretty much everyone has condemned the actions of Hamas. It’s not true to claim they haven’t been condemned.

And your answer to the problem being drop two bombs indiscriminately is merely satisfying revenge. It makes you part of the problem not the answer.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

'get rid of religion' is to my mind a fairly meaningless statement without acknowledgement of the impossibility of doing so.

Remove that defining feature in people's individual moral view and it would be replaced by something else that would near enough replicate it - whether from cultural or political invention.

There is no utopia for humankind this century where nothing like religion will exist. Swift's Big Enders and Little Enders will always arise to fill the vacuum.

Remove religion from state would be a start. People can individually believe whatever gets them through the night.
State and church should be separate though.