Middle East Conflict

There are a fair few Palestinian Christians as well they are not all Muslims, I think people overplay the religious side (many because they think it's cool and edgy) prior to the 90's there was no such thing as militant Islamic groups in Palestine or anywhere else yet they were killing each other, they were secular groups some made up of Muslims and Christians, Israel itself is quite a secular country although the religious right are trying to change things, Jews and Arabs and Muslims and Christians can all live together in fact in many countries they actually do
No where near as many as there used to be. Many have emigrated to the US and Canada since 1995. Very much a minority population now.
I discovered this in Bethlehem told me this when I did the Holy Land tour in 2017. Bethlehem used to be 50/50 Muslim/Christian - not any more.
 
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No where near as many as tgere used to be over 50% have emigrated to the US and Canada since 1995. Very much a minority population now.

Muslim countries are dangerous places for Christians to live, in 2009 there were 50,000 in Gaza and now there are reportedly just over a 1000.
 
A perfect summary of the situation unfolding from one of many brave Jews that are daring to speak out against most western media and politicians narrative:


Yet again, you're being totally disingenuous about the sources you quote. That's David Hearst, who is co-founder and Editor of the Middle East Eye. I've no idea whether he's Jewish or not but he's speaking in his professional capacity, not as a private individual. MEE was accused, by the Saudis, UAE and others of being funded by Qatar, and an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. They denied this, claiming they were "independently funded".

MEE isn't an objective, unbiased organisation. Its bias is abundantly clear. I could produce video after video, or article after article, by Arabs denouncing Hamas or the Palestinian leadership in general. But there's no point as it's just white noise and adds little or nothing to the debate. It's little more than a dick-waving contest. "Oh look. Here's a Jew who denounces Israel" or "Oh look. Here's an Arab Muslim who denounces Hamas'.
 
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The Humvee windscreen is balistic glass so will survive pretty well. Penetration depends on the depth of the glass.

He's completely forgetting humvees have been changed for the better since the Afghan and Iraq wars due to IEDs, they have saved many lives in Ukraine and are very good vehicles now. 20 years ago they were death traps.
 
A perfect summary of the situation unfolding from one of many brave Jews that are daring to speak out against most western media and politicians narrative:


A like is not appropriate for this, but I just see such similarities with centuries of Irish History here. And he is right in what he says.
There was a theme in Irish history that every generation should rise against what was considered a brutal regime. It was like a duty nationalist considered.

The answer to the problem in any conflict first and foremost must be justice. I believe take religion out of the equation and just deal with what is morally right for all.

Give people justice, what is right.

I find the scenes in videos like this genuinely difficult to watch. It’s not that I’m squeamish. It’s just it’s the helplessness of knowing that this is just so wrong. You can choose a side and subjectively put your own justification on any action you like, but in the back of your mind, you know this is wrong.

These actions will only perpetuate the troubles there for everyone. They will solve nothing.

I really do fear this is going to snowball into something much worse
 
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Where’s God in all of this?
He seems to have got a free pass.
You think praying to him every day and living by his rules he might actually help his followers.

Bloody religion & war. Wish we could put an end to both!

John Lennon….Imagine
 
Yet again, you're being totally disingenuous about the sources you quote. That's David Hearst, who is co-founder and Editor of the Middle East Eye. I've no idea whether he's Jewish or not but he's speaking in his professional capacity, not as a private individual. MEE was accused, by the Saudis, UAE and others of being funded by Qatar, and an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. They denied this, claiming they were "independently funded".

MEE isn't an objective, unbiased organisation. It's bias is abundantly clear. I could produce video after video, or article after article, by Arabs denouncing Hamas or the Palestinian leadership in general. But there's no point as it's just white noise and adds little or nothing to the debate. It's little more than a dick-waving contest. "Oh look. Here's a Jew who denounces Israel" or "Oh look. Here's an Arab Muslim who denounces Hamas'.
Are there any organisations/media that are unbiased? It seems like both sides of this debate simply try to discredit any source that doesn’t agree with them.

I asked the other day for a list of credible sources. I didn’t get one. That might be because you don’t think there are any, of course.
 
He's completely forgetting humvees have been changed for the better since the Afghan and Iraq wars due to IEDs, they have saved many lives in Ukraine and are very good vehicles now. 20 years ago they were death traps.
V-shaped armoured lower hulls retrofitted to all military humvees - now the wheels can come off with an IED and that's about it.
 
Yet again, you're being totally disingenuous about the sources you quote. That's David Hearst, who is co-founder and Editor of the Middle East Eye. I've no idea whether he's Jewish or not but he's speaking in his professional capacity, not as a private individual. MEE was accused, by the Saudis, UAE and others of being funded by Qatar, and an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. They denied this, claiming they were "independently funded".

MEE isn't an objective, unbiased organisation. It's bias is abundantly clear. I could produce video after video, or article after article, by Arabs denouncing Hamas or the Palestinian leadership in general. But there's no point as it's just white noise and adds little or nothing to the debate. It's little more than a dick-waving contest. "Oh look. Here's a Jew who denounces Israel" or "Oh look. Here's an Arab Muslim who denounces Hamas'.
PB I don’t know who the man is, but to me that’s not the point.
I generally tend not to look at too many vids in here like this, be it Ukraine or Israel or any other political threads as verification of source always comes up and the objectivity is always questioned.

I do however see comparisons with Irish History and I do see the futility of what he speaks about.

One man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter and all that. You can justify anything you like.

Justice and a fair solution won’t be served with this endless cycle of violence. It’ll get worse. For everyone.
 
Most of the news has been about two girls out of the Tens of thousands who were marching over the weekend. The cameras zoomed in on those Two having a picture of a paraglider on their backs. Now this is pretty obvious what they are describing and it's abhorrent but to give it wholes segments with what's going on in Gaza is ridiculous
Well that’s that skipped over then.
 

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