Middle East Conflict

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

I guess the good news if we can call it that, is that there may not be a ground invasion, there appears to be a little bit of back peddling, perhaps waiting for the US to say something, the only trouble is, if this is the case Iran will present this as a great victory and it's stock will further rise

Next phase may be different from ground offensive: Israel​

An Israeli army spokesperson says troops are preparing for the next phase of the war, but that may not be the expected ground invasion of Gaza.
“We are preparing for the next stages of war. We haven’t said what they will be. Everybody’s talking about the ground offensive. It might be something different,” Richard Hecht said at a regular briefing with reporters.

When there are nearly 200 hostages in Gaza I don’t see how sending the troops in on the ground helps their safe return. Hamas have got some leverage with them, sending tanks and equipment into a densely populated area and where parts are impassable due to buildings collapsing from air strikes will be near impossible. Doing it on foot instead would end up in heavy casualties for the IDF.

 

[cucumberman]

 

[splinter]

Heads up..aldi got a great selection of wines on some real bargains..think they know ww3 is close

 

[Vic]

It's hard to argue with a Jewish woman who says "we recognise what is genocidal".

 

[Ducado]

It's hard to argue with a Jewish woman who says "we recognise what is genocidal".

There is a variety of opinions throughout the Jewish world as you would expect, and there's always plenty of debate which is good and healthy

 

[goalmole]

I guess the good news if we can call it that, is that there may not be a ground invasion, there appears to be a little bit of back peddling, perhaps waiting for the US to say something, the only trouble is, if this is the case Iran will present this as a great victory and it's stock will further rise

Next phase may be different from ground offensive: Israel​

An Israeli army spokesperson says troops are preparing for the next phase of the war, but that may not be the expected ground invasion of Gaza.
“We are preparing for the next stages of war. We haven’t said what they will be. Everybody’s talking about the ground offensive. It might be something different,” Richard Hecht said at a regular briefing with reporters.

Two possibilities IMO.
Firstly this maybe disinformation in an attempt to get Hamas's guard down before the actual offensive begins.
Or having had a chance to think about it, the Israelis may have come to the conclusion that a ground invasion isn't going to be as one sided as it was being made out to be because I can't see, going from past experience, that the Israelis would be so restrained if they thought they were going to be able to go in and steamroller Hamas with minimum cost to themselves in terms of casualties.
It'll be very interesting and telling to see which way this goes.

 

[the blue panther]

Interesting? Fuck me - the whole thing's nightmarish. I hate it.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It's hard to argue with a Jewish woman who says "we recognise what is genocidal".

Another one who has the somewhat facile or dubious notion that because someone Jewish has an opinion on the current situation (particularly one that aligns with their own view) that every Jew who doesn't agree with them is somehow wrong or deluded. It's so fucking infuriating. Some fuckwit on here actually mocked me for not knowing David Hearst, Editor of Middle East Eye, was Jewish, as though we all know each other and have a secret handshake or something.

Jews, just like Christians, Muslims, Hindus and other people, have a wide variety of opinions. In the Jewish world, these range from rejecting Zionism and the notion of an Israeli state (like Neturei Karta) to ardent Zionists. From those on the left who wholly support the Palestinian cause to those on the right who would happily expel or even kill Palestinians en masse.

I could post endless videos of Christians who firmly believe abortion shouldn't be allowed or that homosexuals are sinful and will burn in hell. Not my views but there are lots who hold the same views or sympathise with them. And there are lots of practicing Christians who have a differing view.

There's an article by Gideon Rachman (who I believe is Jewish) in the FT saying that it's quite possible to support Israel in its action against Hamas yet also support Palestinian aspirations. His argument is that countries talking to Israel who show some understanding and support are far more likely to have some influence, over countries who just tell them they're a bunch of bastards.

 

[Ducado]

We don't need extremes of opinions we need workable solutions that stop people being killed

Fact, Israel is here to stay, the Jewish people need a homeland of their own, a place of safety to prevent the terrible slaughters of the past, there are estimated to be about 16 million Jews in the world just over 7 million live in Israel

Fact There are about 14 million Palestinians: 5.3 million in Palestine (3.2 million in the West Bank and 2.1 million in the Gaza Strip), 1.7 million in the post 1948 territories, and nearly 7 million in the diaspora (6.3 million live in Arab countries and 750,000 in foreign countries) that desperately need a state of their own

That the two people lean to live in peace is a primary concern, this conflict fuels extremism and violence throughout the middle east

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Perhaps you can discuss the question of “why there is mass migration” in Europe, maybe the next two statements will be easier to discuss.

1 - mass migration from Afghanistan refugees after the Afghan invasion by US and its allies
2 - mass migration from Iraq refugees after the Iraq invasion by the US and it’s allies
3 - mass migration from Syria - Libya for the same reasons -
4 - mass migration from Egypt due to West interference in local government policy and regime change operations causing security and economic instability locally
5 - a large number of migrants from countries like Pakistan due to US interference in local governments regime changes causing security and economic instability locally
6 - a large number of migrants from countries like India due to labour shortages in UK and Europe and the foreign policy to promote trade with India
7 - education being a large industry in Uk and Europe and Uk and Europe promoting its education to gain billions from international students from poorer countries.
8 - economic and social inequality across regions
9 - the geographical mobility of people today compared to 30 years ago, the language barriers being overcome, the tourism hotspots like Dubai attracting people from the west

I could go on but making an observation like Muslim population in Europe is on the rise is well and good, and factual. But if that observation leads you wonder about the cultural issues or ideological issues it causes, then perhaps look at the root cause of it. And see if the US and the west should have thought of it before pillaging country after country across the aforementioned parts of the world.

If you are going to knock down your neighbours house because you didn’t want to see him happy, don’t be surprised that when it rains or sun is at its hottest that he comes looking for shelter in your house no matter how much you dislike him as he’ll have no where to go and have no resources to build another house of his own.

The west professes that it’s culture is the best, it’s way of living is the most just, it provides the most freedom on how people should live, then don’t be surprised that people want to come and live there. And as it happens with migration, no one side loses its culture completely but a hybrid is created.

Have never suggested otherwise, or suggested reasons at all, merely pointed out the facts.

The reasons leave plenty of room for discussion, and you may not like all the answers, but that wasn’t the focus of my posts, which were to provide facts after seeing what appeared to be slanted coverage based on ideological grounds in the media.