I'm thinking of a hospital that I had seen an interview about where the isreali spokesman had said that hammas headquarters was believed to be underneath , I didnt hear about the other so I'll accept that's possible.It wasn’t, Al Ahli got hit on Saturday too.
It depends on what you call a symptom I suppose. I think the like of Hamas is what scares isreal into policing everything going into Gaza. Which gives the "appearance" of treating a country like a jail. But even with all the policing these guys import rockets and launch them at will.Of course Hamas are “wrong” I could not agree more but they are but a symptom, and you are concentrating on getting rid of the symptom rather than the cause
I'm with you on West Bank, and if this will ever get solved it would include Israel leveling all those Settlements in the West Bank. Which would be a hard sell. But Gaza? That's mostly the effects of Hamas and it's ideology.The oppressive occupation of the West Bank and treating Gaza as an open air prison is equally wrong, should Palestinians be treated as 2nd class citizens, have their land taken, have detention without trial
I'm thinking of a hospital that I had seen an interview about where the isreali spokesman had said that hammas headquarters was believed to be underneath , I didnt hear about the other so I'll accept that's possible.
Well there were a few experts on here who were convinced who was to blame when this news broke yesterday. So yes I agree, let's get the facts and let them be dealt with accordingly.All you have is speculation. I'm asking for facts about this incident and getting nothing to the contrary.
That is especially telling.
You wouldn't need to bulldoze them, the Palestinians need the houses.saying you support a 2 state solution is easy until you actually realise that means bulldozing the 244+ Israeli settlements built on Palestinian land.
Because you can’t expect Palestinians to accept a 2 state solution where Israel takes even more of their land than they had 35 years ago.
That’s why Likud and Netenyahu built them, they know it makes a 2 state soliton impossible.
And everyone knows that, so actually saying you support a 2 state solution is meaningless at best, and at worst means you support the status quo.
How do you explain the deleted tweets by the IDF, the previous attacks and munitions found at the hospital and the warnings the hospital management say they received that they were a target and should evacuate. Is it all staged and lies?
The IDF has also said that the terrorists were launching missiles from directly behind the hospital and then releasing a map showing the rockets being launched hundreds of meters away.
I can see quite a few inconsistencies in the IDF explanation?
If this is the same guy we're speaking about, he later admitted to not being given the full facts, jumping to conclusions and removed the tweet as he didn't wish to misinform.How about the isreali IDF tweet saying they had struck a hospital that was hiding hamas terrorists. Which was then quickly deleted. That's a fact. Why would you post that just after the attack and then delete it?? Please explain what has happened here in your opinion.
The senior IDF guy who posted it was responsible for disseminating social media information on behalf of the IDF. It was his job. It wasnt exactly a random tweet by someone not in the know was it?
Yes, those initial response were wrong. Or misstated perhaps. There were multiple rockets launched from Gaza into Israel. Then the explosion happened. These is video of this.Come on. I should have said part of it was flattened but the damage was definitely more than a few cars. First reports widely reported a number of strikes, so if it wasn’t Palestinian rockets it must have been more than one? Or were those initial reports wrong? Genuine question. But as I was trying to say no one knows what is true or false at the moment.
I still personally think it’s more likely to be Israel.
No, not at all. It's one person who made a dumb tweet and then deleted it.Not according to ITN at 6.30 tonight. I am pretty sure they said it was the same hospital? But even so it proves the IDFs subsequent claim that they don't target hospitals as not true, does it not.
Yet you keep blaming Israel and are adamant they are at fault...Way to many inconsistencies in both sides stories to come to any conclusion imo.
To be fair, I think everyone - including me - went all in on Israel when we heard the news last night. It wasn’t confined to just a fewWell there were a few experts on here who were convinced who was to blame when this news broke yesterday. So yes I agree, let's get the facts and let them be dealt with accordingly.
Ah so you think the IDF accidentally posted that tweet and it was just a coincidence that a hospital was bombed just before.IMO the idf and Israeli gov social media is beyond unprofessional, they say stuff that is just wrong accidentally all the time on top of propaganda. It’s pretty clearly run by some people with very extreme views, and very little care for the weight of their tweets.
A few hundred metres is “just behind” when it comes to these rockets and missiles, they travel a long way with the initial stage so that if there’s a misfire, they don’t kill the people launching them. So that seems fine.
If anything hospital being told to evacuate and the international furore and backlash over that demand makes it less likely to be Israel because it’s terrible PR.
I’m not saying anything is for certain, I just think the balance of evidence is tipping one way.
He was being pressed about a land offensive, and would they leave the hospital alone The spokesperson wouldn't rule it put and repated that they were going after hammasAh, that’s Al Shifa that they alleged was the hq. They made that statement a while ago though (as in nearly a decade ago), not sure if they’ve said about it again recently.
JDAMs have an airburst function on the MK 83 and 84 models, there wouldn't necessarily be a crator, no one knows for sure if it was a misfire or the IDF, both will claim the other did it, but fforxsure no one on bluemoon can say either way who it was as nothing on social media not even geoconfirmed (whos thread on it was sketchy to fuck and guesswork) know for sure, I mean one video posted on twitter claiming it was footage was from 2002It landed in a packed car park, plenty of extra boom already there, god knows what else was stored there too. It wasn't a JDAM anyway going off the lack of a huge crater and a demolished building.
Difference between Hamas and Not-in-yahoo is that the former is a Dictator and the latter can and most likely will get voted out once this present response is completedBiden may want a two state solution, but Netanyahu doesn’t want one and getting rid of Israeli settlements will be portrayed as Hamas winning and spark civil strife in Israel. Hamas doesn’t want a two state solution either.
Netanyahu and Hamas have driven both peoples up a blind ally where the only option left is hostility and death.
Not sure there is a way forward with any of the current leadership in charge.
Ah so you think the IDF accidentally posted that tweet and it was just a coincidence that a hospital was bombed just before.
That's some coincidence isn't it. You don't really believe that do you?
Wrong. Yesterday I thought the balance of probability and evidence indiacated it was isreal. Then you and others pointed out IJ had rockets that could do yhat kind of damage. Now I'm undecided . There is an awful lot that still doesnt stack up especially on the IDF side. I don't see how anyone can be certain it wasng the IDF.Yet you keep blaming Israel and are adamant they are at fault...
Assuming it was a big rocket that hit. Which it wasn't. Sure. But now that we've seen the damage, we know it could have been done by the kinds of rockets their nutty friends try to fireWell if you were Hamas and you were aware of what rockets you and your terrorist friends were launching . Ie no big ones. Then you would pretty quickly be able to establish that it wasn't your side would you not??