Middle East Conflict

So, if Iran gets the bomb, Israel is safe as houses?
Well seeing as they haven’t and the west are doing everything to prevent that happening then it’s unlikely.

And secondly that’s the same Cold War rhetoric used from the ‘50’s onwards with regards to Russia then China and yet no one except the US has ever used one.

If Iran got hold of one then they still wouldn’t use it as it’s just going to bring their own annihilation, I’m more concerned that Israel currently have them with their government for of right wing nutters.
 
Well seeing as they haven’t and the west are doing everything to prevent that happening then it’s unlikely.

And secondly that’s the same Cold War rhetoric used from the ‘50’s onwards with regards to Russia then China and yet no one except the US has ever used one.

If Iran got hold of one then they still wouldn’t use it as it’s just going to bring their own annihilation, I’m more concerned that Israel currently have them with their government for of right wing nutters.
More worried about Israel having nuclear weapons than Iran acquiring them?

I know that this thread has descended into some sort of parallel universe safe space for people to spout anti-western nonsense and conspiracy theories, but I genuinely think I’ve seen it all now.
 
More worried about Israel having nuclear weapons than Iran acquiring them?

I know that this thread has descended into some sort of parallel universe safe space for people to spout anti-western nonsense and conspiracy theories, but I genuinely think I’ve seen it all now.
Tbh I'm fairly sure most folk are worried Israel have them. I mean we are talking about a Country committing Genocide who have Nuclear weapons. Staggering tbh.
 
Backhanded compliment. I’ll take it, even if your comment is not nearly as generous as hoped. I won’t opine on the quality of your posts, as I don’t personalize them and read each persons post as a stand alone thought.



I take it you don’t purchase anything imported from Communist countries? Are you happy with that? Or, are you the 0.00001% of people in the west who are self sustaining? How about supporting a team owned by a sovereign wealth fund of middle Eastern country? How far are you going to try to go to make a tortured, irrelevant, point?

I make no bones about the fact that it is nation states that determine economic models and wage wars, not individuals who may or may not love their country! Not sure what that has to do with the price of butter, but I’ll soldier on with your post…



HAHAHAHA!



Does targeting western/Christian/British ships make it OK? Is morality and the rule of law a popularity contest? Why does it matter who is outraged or not, “backing the attack” or not?



My country? My doctrine? America has helped be the security blanket for most of Europe allowing them the luxury of not having to protect their own, or our collective, best interests.

You sound like Xi & Putin’s wet dream! Maybe you would prefer to live in Russia or China, and love doing it, no doubt?!



Do you mean other than Honolulu or the Pacific Islands?

I agree that modern technology has reduced 22 miles to seconds, but for millennia it was an insurmountable hurdle to most. That same technology has also reduced those oceans in the same manner. In fact, Russia is far closer to the U.S. than the UK, as is China!



At least you have your answer for the next Miss World contest you enter! With eons of religious war ever present, it’s hard to envisage the entire world at peace, but many people would suggest that the relative peace being kept in a M.A.D. nuclear world for the last 3/4 century has been a good thing for the world. It has certainly given us room for the generation of snowflakes we are currently having to endure!



It is, indeed, a nightmare, so who to blame? Depends on where you sit, right?

Sounds like we need your diplomatic skills in the 40s to solve these intractable problems in the “right way!”



Certainly lots of shades of grey, but that has nothing to do with the rough with the smooth, unless you think life is, was, and always will be relatively smooth?! The rough (war) is what usually leads to the smooth (peace), but if you know of another way, the entire world is all ears. For now, though, I’ll recommend the 120 grit at the local hardware store if they need to solve any problems short of all out war to smooth over the rough spots.
Hey Chicago,, lets agree to disagree..there is no backhanded compliment. always liked your posts to be honest..I am happy to accept different views..we can run around in circles scoring points..no need..our lives,our views are different..Not sure posting all this helps..but if you wish PM me. Am happy for a chat, no need for others to read this.
 
No, I find the false equivalency a specious argument at best.

Netanyahu needs to go, because I think his personal agenda is not the agenda of the general population.

However, the notion of any, even remote, equivalency between the desires of general Jewish population of Israel and the Palestinians desire to see Israel removed from the map is nonsense.

I also find the use of the term “Zionist” to not be representative of the general population’s desire to live in peaceful coexistence with their neighbors and it is often used as an inflammatory and derogatory oratorical tool to denote some kind of zealotry.
How does that fit in with this? Thats not Netanyahoo, thats Isreal surely?

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I dont mean to be inflammatory btw, just from my pov you steal peoples land for decades it WILL create the mess we have.

(If someone could confirm if that above is true btw? I am hearing it isnt lately, I certainly dont want to add to the well of misinformation we get nowadays)
 
More worried about Israel having nuclear weapons than Iran acquiring them?

I know that this thread has descended into some sort of parallel universe safe space for people to spout anti-western nonsense and conspiracy theories, but I genuinely think I’ve seen it all now.
You haven't kept up with deterrent theory?

Or with Israeli's crazies?

 
If you genuinely think that it’s preferable for Iran to have nuclear weapons over Israel then you’re even dafter than I thought you were.

Presumably you’d like to see Iran provide Hamas with nuclear weapons once they have them as well.

Absolute comedy gold on here.
 
If you genuinely think that it’s preferable for Iran to have nuclear weapons over Israel then you’re even dafter than I thought you were.

Presumably you’d like to see Iran provide Hamas with nuclear weapons once they have them as well.

Absolute comedy gold on here.

They are more aligned with the morals of Iran, it's no surprise really.
 
People talk about Iran and how bad they are in the same way people talk about City and how guilty we are.
Essentially they've listened to propaganda for years and it's become truth in their own heads.
In the grand scheme of things they've caused way less mayhem than the US and Britain. Oh yes and Russia, Germany, France etc
At least since Xerxes was strutting his stuff.
 
To be fair, Iran is pretty great unless you are a women or you believe in Democracy and the freedom of speech.

Imagine this political sub forum under Iranian censure and what would happen to most of the posters who like to criticise?

All that aside though, it hates Israel, isn’t fond of Jews, are fellow enemies of the West so it’s great.
 
If you genuinely think that it’s preferable for Iran to have nuclear weapons over Israel then you’re even dafter than I thought you were.

Presumably you’d like to see Iran provide Hamas with nuclear weapons once they have them as well.

Absolute comedy gold on here.
Like I said. Deterrent theory.

It's why British citizens leaked our atomic bomb secrets to the USSR.

if you want to say only one side should have nuclear weapons, I assume you mean "our side". I'd rather no-one had them, but you can't have it both ways.
 
People talk about Iran and how bad they are in the same way people talk about City and how guilty we are.
Essentially they've listened to propaganda for years and it's become truth in their own heads.
In the grand scheme of things they've caused way less mayhem than the US and Britain. Oh yes and Russia, Germany, France etc
At least since Xerxes was strutting his stuff.
Only if you ignore their ongoing support for Assad in Syria, Hezbollah in Lebanon and supply of arms to Russia that are being used in Ukraine. And then there’s their support for the Houthis in Yemen and Hamas in Gaza. So yes, apart from all that they’re just sat around at home not bothering anyone (apart from any of their own people who openly don’t want Iran to continue to be a theocracy).
 
Only if you ignore their ongoing support for Assad in Syria, Hezbollah in Lebanon and supply of arms to Russia that are being used in Ukraine. And then there’s their support for the Houthis in Yemen and Hamas in Gaza. So yes, apart from all that they’re just sat around at home not bothering anyone (apart from any of their own people who openly don’t want Iran to continue to be a theocracy).
Again you are falling into the same trap. People, not necessarily you, had never heard of the Houthis until quite recently, when quickly we were told they're baddies.
Yes Iran is involved in the geopolitical scene in it's area supporting groups you don't like. However at least it's in their backyard. What's America and the UK's excuse.
I'd also like to know when Iranian paratroopers landed in London and arrested an elected prime minister.
 
Again you are falling into the same trap. People, not necessarily you, had never heard of the Houthis until quite recently, when quickly we were told they're baddies.
Yes Iran is involved in the geopolitical scene in it's area supporting groups you don't like. However at least it's in their backyard. What's America and the UK's excuse.
I'd also like to know when Iranian paratroopers landed in London and arrested an elected prime minister.
Ukraine isn’t in their backyard yet many Russian drone attacks are using Iranian made equipment. They’ve also been involved in numerous terrorist plots around the world including actual or foiled attacks in Argentina, Thailand, Albania, Denmark, France, India and Kenya. It’s true that most of their activities are within their own region but it’s not true to say that they don’t do anything outside their backyard - mostly using proxies but in many cases using their own IRGC people.
 
The Houthis have been killing thousands for years and to suggest no one has ever heard of them is ridiculous.

On a thread where posters are up in arms over an alleged massacre and genocide we get the same posters suddenly turning a blind eye to terrorists who are guilty of such crimes and will even go as far as claiming it’s all propaganda against them we are falling for.

Here is their slogan…

God is the Greatest
Death to America
Death to Israel
A Curse Upon the Jews
Victory to Islam

Of course they are against Israel so no real surprise.

Its mind boggling this thread at times watching the mental gymnastics on display.
 
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The Houthis have been killing thousands for years and to suggest no one has ever heard of them is ridiculous.

On a thread where posters are up in arms over an alleged massacre and genocide we get the same posters suddenly turning a blind eye to terrorists who are guilty of such crimes and will even go as far as claiming it’s all propaganda against them we are falling for.

Here is their slogan…

God is the Greatest
Death to America
Death to Israel
A Curse Upon the Jews
Victory to Islam

Of course they are against Israel so no real surprise.

Its mind boggling this thread at times watching the mental gymnastics on display.
It's amazing how the Houthis have only started attacking ships since the Genocide in Isreal.

I get it though, Nothing to do with it.
 

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