Not a bad response actually. Leave it up this time unlike the one you removed yesterday .
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Middle East Conflict
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halfcenturyup
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I suppose so but that is the way all wars were settled to avoid innocent deaths. Man on man on the battlefield. Hamas have basically strapped their own babies to their chests and dared the Israeli's to shoot.
Which is the nature of assymetric warfare like this. Nevertheless, there are rules that need to be followed by the attacking army, especially in an assymetric conflict. The fact that one side doesn't follow the humanitarian law doesn't mean the attacking army is relieved of their responsibility for its actions.
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Not a bad response actually. Leave it up this time unlike the one you removed yesterday .
Say what now? I haven't deleted any posts. Ever. As far as I am aware. If I make a mistake, I admit it. Doesn't happen much. :)
But can we stop asking what else can the Israelis do? Please?
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Ok let me take one more stab at this :)
Here is a hypothetical for you: Suppose there is a large group of people (and growing) who believe the world should be run according to their faith beliefs and that group was willing to attempt to achieve its goals by any means necessary and against the wishes of other groups of people no matter what their beliefs were
How would you suggest one resolves this conflict?
I think I would have to learn a lot more about the situation before determining a response. Good game, though. Give me a few more details and I will see if I can be bothered formulating a response which doesn't involve blasting everyone to death. :)
What other end result will there be? Israel are not going to stop until Hamas are gone or at least the threat is gone and that seems pretty clear.You think this is a potential outcome of the Israeli offensive?
That a population, already confined in a tiny space, having had a significant part of that utterly destroyed, losing thousands if their children, will install a calm and sensible regime under the oversight of those who killed their children?
Seems a little optimistic. To put it very, very mildly indeed.
I wouldn't be surprised if this goes beyond Gaza by the way. Mossad are well known for their ability to make people disappear. I'm sure the Hamas leaders hiding out in various countries will be thinking twice about their protection.
gordondaviesmoustache
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This assumption that using the sledgehammer approach is the only viable option is pitifully simplistic, just like it was after 9/11.Can we put this one to bed.
Targeted strikes against Hamas commanders in Gaza, assassinations of the leaders in Qatar and Iran, and a grown up play towards US/ Iran reconciliation and Arab state/ Israel reconciliation to cut off funding. Oh, and a diplomatic solution to the question of a Palestinian state. You want to make Hamas less effective? Get rid of their leadership and cut off their funding.
(And while I am here, Israel should secure its riskiest borders rather than deploy forces to the West Bank. I still can't believe Hamas could do what they did.)
Strangle Hamas over a number of years instead of an insane attempt to "wipe them out" or (possibly) ethnically cleanse Gaza and make the Palestinians there someone else's problem.
There is always more than one course of action available, but the course chosen says the most about the people who chose it and what their objectives are.
Israel has been suckered in by Hamas, who have got the exact response they wanted.
gordondaviesmoustache
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This is far more likely to garner positive results than bombing the fuck out of Gaza.I wouldn't be surprised if this goes beyond Gaza by the way. Mossad are well known for their ability to make people disappear. I'm sure the Hamas leaders hiding out in various countries will be thinking twice about their protection.
mancity2012_eamo
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Here’s one brief prediction of Israel’s plan. I happen to think Bibi was just waiting for the justification to do this.
Time will tell if he’s correct.
Time will tell if he’s correct.
I suppose so but that is the way all wars were settled to avoid innocent deaths. Man on man on the battlefield. Hamas have basically strapped their own babies to their chests and dared the Israeli's to shoot.
That doesn't mean Israel should drop bombs indiscriminately and to hell with the consequences. If your house was being robbed, and the robber had already murdered your parents, and you called the police, and when they showed up the robber grabbed your missus and put a gun to her head, I'm sure you wouldn't say it was fine for the police to say 'we're going to shoot them both, the only way to stop him from doing this again is to shoot through your missus'.
You cannot put 7000 deaths at the feet of Hamas as if Israel has no agency. Hamas clearly won't come out of their tunnels, so the answer cannot be to keep dropping thousands of bombs until their isn't a single soul left alive in Gaza. That is unconscionable. That makes Israel the bad guys too, but it's obvious they don't care about perception because they will always be protected by the important nations in the west, namely the US. So they get to continue slaughtering thousands of innocent people with impunity and if anyone ever dares to criticise them, they'll just invoke Oct 7 and carry on where they left off.
mancity2012_eamo
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As I said a couple of weeks back.This assumption that using the sledgehammer approach is the only viable option is pitifully simplistic, just like it was after 9/11.
Israel has been suckered in by Hamas, who have got the exact response they wanted.
Who’s playing who?