Middle East Conflict

[Dax777]

Yes but at the cost of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives. That is not some strategic achievement to be proud of.

No one said anything about being proud. Just a basic realization that there are no cute easy solutions to the problem. But too many however lamented the current conditions at the time and postulated that ISI could not be curtailed. And that attempting to neutralize ISI will only serve as recruitment drive for them.

We now know without a doubt that those claims are wrong. Decimating ISI didn't serve as a recruitment tool, it simply weakened them and made them unattractive.

It turns out humans don't like losing organizations no matter their ideology.

Those are sick and repulsive war crimes and those who perpetuated them deserve to be dragged in front of the Hague.

Yes, ISI was sick and commiting war crimes I agree. But they don't recognize or subscribe to international law. They couldn't care less about it. They respond to a higher power.

And there in lies a part of the problem. The other problem is that too many in the West pretend they have some magic solutions that would appease the ideological types that no one else had thought of before. But they don't.

 

[Vialli98]

No one said anything about being proud. Just a basic realization that there are no cute easy solutions to the problem. But too many however lamented the current conditions at the time and postulated that ISI could not be curtailed. And that attempting to neutralize ISI will only serve as recruitment drive for them.

We now know without a doubt that those claims are wrong. Decimating ISI didn't serve as a recruitment tool, it simply weakened them and made them unattractive.

It turns out humans don't like losing organizations no matter their ideology.

Iraq was an illegal war. You cannot wipe out hundred of thousands of innocent lives in the name of fighting a terrorist group and then claim some kind of victory. That makes America and their allies the terrorists. It may have been successful in rendering a terrorist group ineffective but the path they took to achieve that goal included the death of over 1 million people renders that everything they say they achieved an abject failure.

Yes, ISI was sick and commiting war crimes I agree. But they don't recognize or subscribe to international law. They couldn't care less about it. They respond to a higher power.

And there in lies a part of the problem. The other problem is that too many in the West pretend they have some magic solutions that would appease the ideological types that no one else had thought of before. But they don't.

I was saying it was America committing the sick and repulsive war crimes in Iraq and all the American and European decision makers who had a hand in that atrocious illegal way should be dragged in front of the Hague.

 

[Dax777]

It's frightening isn't it that an organisation whose only aim seems to be genocide has so much worldwide support. Sick.

In fairness, I don't think the support generally is for Hamas. I think it's mostly for the suffering of the people in Gaza and the West Bank.

 

[arbabarshad]

It's frightening isn't it that an organisation whose only aim seems to be genocide has so much worldwide support. Sick.

This post shows that what you consider the worldwide support. In your view, the world is essentially the west or western countries with a few others like India who do not like Muslims.

Also, those countries are not supporting Israel because they think Israel is doing the right thing, they are doing it because they have mutual benefits.

 

[halfcenturyup]

You don't have to respond on someone else's behalf friend. Seeking alternative views off different posters is what this forum is all about. At the moment you're presenting your opinion, but that's all it is.

It's not an opinion that there was more than one response available to the situation for the Israelis. It's a fact.

I do have opinions about why they chose this particular course of action, and when I expound them I will say it's an opinion.

 

[Palerider]

That doesn't mean Israel should drop bombs indiscriminately and to hell with the consequences. If your house was being robbed, and the robber had already murdered your parents, and you called the police, and when they showed up the robber grabbed your missus and put a gun to her head, I'm sure you wouldn't say it was fine for the police to say 'we're going to shoot them both, the only way to stop him from doing this again is to shoot through your missus'.

It's a good scenario but I don't think it's accurate. Hamas need to be stopped because if they are not stopped they will kill again. So what if the killer has sworn to kill all your family, has already killed 2 of your 4 kids and is using your wife as a shield as he moves towards another bedroom containing your other two kids? Do you take the shot at the killer and hope your wife survives or let him enter your childrens bedroom?

 

[Bluemoon_420]

Excellent summary by Joe Glenton (ex-soldier/journalist) on the Israeli war machine and why the US & UK support it.

 

[Eebo]

Adopt a different strategy like what? Get your own people bombed to fuck? Is that the Hamas strategy?

You could say exactly the same about what Israel is doing now. Get your own people to be victims of terror? Is that the Israeli strategy?

 

[Eebo]

Why don't Hamas surrender and end all the suffering they have caused?

Why don't Israel give in to terror?

And I don't know if you have had time stop posting on here and check the news reports, but it is actually Israel that is dropping the bombs and causing the suffering in Gaza, not Hamas, so stop stop talking shite.

 

[M16 citeh]

Here’s one brief prediction of Israel’s plan. I happen to think Bibi was just waiting for the justification to do this.
Time will tell if he’s correct.

Referring to netanyahu as bibi? You got pet names for all of the right wing tyrant leaders? I think most the world has already condemned Israels actions don't know what your waiting for!