Middle East Conflict

[johnnytapia]

And "Who amongst us hasn't gone out with pounds of explosives surrounded by shrapnel strapped to ourselves then detonated it in a crowd"

Yeah but, I’ve met and know loads of Muslims. They’re all great. No idea why anyone would think there’s a problem with them. They assimilate really well.

 

[davyhulme blue]

Awsome let's just turn back the clock eh ?.

Don’t quite get that , my point is I suppose that imo it’s sill the same & always will be we have to rise above it one & all

 

[M16 citeh]

I would gladly put this **** on his arse repeatedly

 

[argyle]

Of course that was life then

Perhaps, but it's shame that it was.

Thankfully we have progressed to where it is now unacceptable for anyone to be racist.

 

[M16 citeh]

Do you have any knowledge of the IHRA definition of antisemitism? Here it is...


Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

• Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
• Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
• Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
• Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
• Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
• Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
• Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
• Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
• Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
• Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
• Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

Nowhere does it say that you can't criticise Israel for its actions. But it does set out examples of what is regarded as antisemitic, which includes denying Jews the right to self-determination, comparing Israel to the Nazis and requiring it of a behaviour not expected of any other democratic nation.

One of those protestors had a poster of a Star of David with a swastika inside it. Thats antisemitic. There were other instances of antisemitic behaviour.

Jews coming out of a Sabbath morning service at a synagogue in St John's Wood were harassed by some of these protestors making their way to the march. There's a Chinese takeaway in Prestwich that threw some Jewish customers out screaming "We don't serve Jews". A pizza restaurant in Leeds has said "Zionists not welcome here". But will either get prosecuted? Probably not. There's been a huge increase in antisemitism in the UK in the last few weeks. I don't disclose my religion at work, having been discriminated against once simply for being born Mewish. You have no fucking idea what it's like to live in fear.

We all know that this new definition is bullshit and we knew it at the time. Germany uk and USA couldn't wait to adopt this definition

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

We are beyond parody now

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We've not often been in agreement on this thread but we're definitely on the same side on this.

 

[Vic]

We don’t need anymore hatred

I do wish we could stop debating arcane historical points about who was there first etc, the world needs to step in and stop these two slaughtering each other, and building up more historical resentments

Slaughtering innocent civilians isn’t going to bring about peace

While I agree with the last sentence, I don't think "the world" can get us to any permanent peace without understanding the history, which is complicated but not "arcane".

For example, "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is obviously problematic, especially if linked to the 1988 Hamas charter, but so is Likud's 1977 manifesto (against giving up the West Bank): "The right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel is eternal, and is an integral part of its right to security and peace. Judea and Samaria shall therefore not be relinquished to foreign rule; between the sea and Jordan river there will be Jewish sovereignty alone".

 

[johnnytapia]

Nope - one was a James Thomas from Dorset

Struggling to see what he did other than a bit of ranting at the beginning.

 

[trueblue1972]

Don’t quite get that , my point is I suppose that imo it’s sill the same & always will be we have to rise above it one & all

There is far less racism now adays , these behaviours are being and should be challenged

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

The march wasn't going within two miles of the cenotaph. She whipped up the far right with a lie.

And they don’t need much whipping up do they. Tragic individuals, desperate to be part of something even if they don’t know what it is.