Middle East Conflict

[MCFC1993]

Italy the latest to announce how many of their citizens have been kidnapped.

 

[Scottyboi]

Interesting that the BBC has this as their headline as fact, but then says in the text that their only source is the word of an Israeli general. Reuters claim that there were dead Hamas militants and 'Israeli residents.' I'm not saying he's necessarily lying, but you'd think professional BBC journalists would know better than the basically reprint the claims of a single man without corroborating them first. Or at least use quotation marks.

BBC are saying they have been speaking to the soldiers at the scene not just the General and that Commander. But I guess the only way to prove it is with pictures but even then people will say they are crisis actors.

 

[trueblue1972]

Interesting that the BBC has this as their headline as fact, but then says in the text that their only source is the word of an Israeli general. Reuters claim that there were dead Hamas militants and 'Israeli residents.' I'm not saying he's necessarily lying, but you'd think professional BBC journalists would know better than the basically reprint the claims of a single man without corroborating them first. Or at least use quotation marks.

I'll tell yoh one person who most definitely was lieing Dr Basem Naim Head of political and international relations for hammas , said no civilians were killed over and over again live on sky news yesterday

 

[The blue phantom]

Yes terrible behaviour if that was what was going on and the police should have banged them up, as I said.

I haven’t seen these posts which have led to people being accused of being terrorist sympathisers. There was a few posts about sympathisers in the last quarter of an hour and I think the forum has a right to know if something very unpleasant has been posted.

I can see why posters would be upset with the interview of Israeli soldier. It was shocking. But I do t see how they links to posts on here.

I think posters who have said they sympathise with Palestinian civilians have took a lot of abuse. For me it’s easy to be upset by the killing of Israelis and Palestinian civilians

If it's a dick swinging contest and folk want to post good videos of Israeli soldiers, that can easily be turned around of absolute atrocities by the same set of soldiers in videos to which there's 100's if not thousands which i can post. It's not a line anyone should be going down.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

BBC are saying they have been speaking to the soldiers at the scene not just the General and that Commander. But I guess the only way to prove it is with pictures but even then people will say they are crisis actors.

Well yeah. I'm looking at the headline now and it's "Hamas killed babies and children in Israeli viggage massacre" which seems to be substantiated. But I swear about 15-20 minutes ago, the word "beheaded" was used in the same headline. Maybe I misread it, or maybe they quickly changed it.

 

[super_city_si]

Interesting that the BBC has this as their headline as fact, but then says in the text that their only source is the word of an Israeli general. Reuters claim that there were dead Hamas militants and 'Israeli residents.' I'm not saying he's necessarily lying, but you'd think professional BBC journalists would know better than the basically reprint the claims of a single man without corroborating them first. Or at least use quotation marks.

BBC are no longer a serious news organization

 

[N1985]

I'm sure I will see you keeping up the same energy and being eager to debunk when Hamas post stuff.

Wouldn't hold my breath pal, you'll get a 2011 Twitter article along in a minute with a load of whataboutery attached to it.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I'll tell yoh one person who most definitely was lieing Dr Basem Naim Head of political and international relations for hammas , said no civilians were killed over and over again live on sky news yesterday

Agreed.

That doesn't mean we can't be sceptical about an Israeli general speaking in a highly emotional and literally life-and-death situation. Or that journalists shouldn't be explicit in reporting it as a claim from a single man rather than a fact that they have verified.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

BBC are no longer a serious news organization

Well as I say, it's entirely possible that I misread it.

This guy seems to have heard the exact opposite (on TV, whereas I was looking at the website).

 

[jimharri]

We realise it's a huge news story right now, with posters taking deeply entrenched opinions on the situation. But can we please ask members to desist from personal abuse of other posters, whatever side you're on, and whatever "shit" you perceive another poster of talking. The insults and abuse directed at other posters doesn't really advance your argument, and will likely only end up with tit for tat jibes flying back and forth all night. Which serves no purpose at all. Thanks.

 

[trueblue1972]

Agreed.

That doesn't mean we can't be sceptical about an Israeli general speaking in a highly emotional and literally life-and-death situation. Or that journalists shouldn't be explicit in reporting it as a claim from a single man rather than a fact that they have verified.

100%there is a reason I've not mentioned it , it doesn't make the last few days much better if it was false either way

 

[The blue phantom]

Wouldn't hold my breath pal, you'll get a 2011 Twitter article along in a minute with a load of whataboutery attached to it.

Or a twitter article that says this from an Israeli Minister.

“We are people who will not harm a fly, but if the fly bothers him, the fly must be killed and also his children if he hides behind them,” said Amihai Eliyahu, the minister of heritage.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Based on what the IDF are telling them is why I remain sceptical. There clearly has been a horrific massacre, the NYT reporter confirmed what she saw with her own eyes. No mention of beheadings let alone beheaded babies.

I have seen videos of beheadings although these were adults rather than babies. No reason not to believe there weren’t any thought of babies. Hamas seem to revel in the death of others and the more horrific / degrading the better as far as they are concerned.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Anyone sympathetic to the Israelis OR Hamas needs their heads testing.

There's no right, just wrong, and both sets are murdering people and you know it, sympathisers ... wtf.

 

[The blue phantom]

We realise it's a huge news story right now, with posters taking deeply entrenched opinions on the situation. But can we please ask members to desist from personal abuse of other posters, whatever side you're on, and whatever "shit" you perceive another poster of talking. The insults and abuse directed at other posters doesn't really advance your argument, and will likely only end up with tit for tat jibes flying back and forth all night. Which serves no purpose at all. Thanks.

Remove the posters if there's personal abuse. It's pretty simple and what you do on other threads.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Anyone sympathetic to the Israelis OR Hamas needs their heads testing.

There's no right, just wrong, and both sets are murdering people and you know it, sympathisers ... wtf.

I honestly reckon a lot of it is people hating the other side more than supporting their own.

 

[birch villa]

It's just sickening innocent people losing there lives on both sides what a fucked up world we live in

 

[N1985]

Or a twitter article that says this from an Israeli Minister.

“We are people who will not harm a fly, but if the fly bothers him, the fly must be killed and also his children if he hides behind them,” said Amihai Eliyahu, the minister of heritage.

Well at least I was only wrong about the year.

 

[jimharri]

Remove the posters if there's personal abuse. It's pretty simple and what you do on other threads.

Because of the emotions and passions roused, we're trying to be reasonable here. But we need help from the members on this. As for your comment about other threads, and posters being removed, we don't remove as many as

A. You seem to think we do. And
B. As many as we probably should.

Of course, if you have an issue with the way the forum is being moderated, you are free to raise your concerns with @Ric. We don't claim to be perfect; all we say is that we do what we do for what we believe is the best interests of the forum.

 

[doots]

Fuck me, the Ukraine thread's gone now, what a mess.
Back now, calm the fuck down