Posted hours later from when the conversations were actually taking place, the crazy thing is beheading or not what they did find were whole families slaughtered in their houses gunned down by pure scum.
From what I can gather a majority of scholars seem to think that the selective and distorted use of the Qur'an to support anti-semitism is a relatively modern phenomenon, unlike Christianity which has a much longer history in that regard, and that some of the current attitide is actually an integration of western antisemitic thinking rather than anything specifically to do with Islam.
Posted hours later from when the conversations were actually taking place, the crazy thing is beheading or not what they did find were whole families slaughtered in their houses gunned down by pure scum.
That's why folk shouldn't post until confirmed and verified. If the beheadings have happened it's fuckin Abhorrent by Hamas as is everything else they've done which I stated dozens of times on here. I do condemn both sides and not just One.
You mean me stating Hamas are a terrorist organization and should be wiped out on multiple occasions. Let's hear your views on the Israelis past and present war crimes. As I've looked back and you seem to have gone all Marcel Marcaeu on them?If you say so, your energy is completely different when it comes to Palestine to try and deny that is laughable and fake.
Well said pal, nail on the head.This has been my main takeaway over the past few days. There doesn't seem to be anyone on either side in a position of real power who is prepared to sit down and talk things through with the other side.
Those who hold the power are too entrenched in their views for me. I've been following bits on Channel 4 News and they're trying to be balanced in talking to people from both sides who are associated with their respective leaders. However, none of them seem interested in entertaining the questions being put to them, instead going off on one. For instance, the night before last they had the Israeli ambassador to the UK on and the question was put to her about all the innocent lives that will doubtless be lost in Gaza as a result of Israel's response. She just totally lost the plot and kept telling Krishnan to stop defending Gaza and Hamas when he was doing no such thing, and was instead defending innocent people. I get that she was pissed off and upset about what had happened but someone in an ambassadorial role ought to be a bit more diplomatic. It was like she didn't give a fuck about innocent Palestinian lives being lost and Krishnan was struggling to get a word in edgeways. There was pretty much a carbon copy response last night when Matt Frei interviewed someone from Hamas. He asked about the Israeli hostages and would they be treated properly, to which the Hamas bloke said they would. When Frei pushed him further on this by highlighting the Hamas statement that one hostage would be killed for every unannounced air strike, he lost the plot and ended up going off on a tangent and like the Israeli ambassador the night before, resorting to whataboutery. It's impossible to get any semblance of an apology from any of these people for innocent lives lost on the opposite side.
You mean me stating Hamas are a terrorist organization and should be wiped out on multiple occasions. Let's hear your views on the Israelis past and present war crimes. As I've looked back and you seem to have gone all Marcel Marcaeu on them?
I am getting a little concerned that Hezbolla may get involved, they are very well armed and motivated and numerous, a regional conflict is not what we need
Again I see the hand of Russia controlling their new puppet Iran, it’s suits them down to the ground
I think after that attack Israel are well within their rights to attack any military targets of Hamas they see fit, I don't agree with cutting off water and food supplies to anyone it isn't the medieval times you aren't going to starve them into submission only the civilians will be harmed by that.
Hamas knowingly use their population as human shields and purposely use civilian infrastructure for military purposes, they use guerrilla warfare against a modern army whose only form of retaliation can be dropping bombs or a land war into a densely populated urban area. If Hamas cared about their children they wouldn't carried out that attack at weekend.
No idea what the solution is or what is feasible, one religion dominating and ruling some of the holiest sites in 3 different religions is not good as their is a clear bias and pilgrims of other faiths are spat on and treated like shit at times. Personally think an international peace keeping force needs to be involved and both sides forced into some form of agreement or face sanctions.
Here you go m8y... Nice simple 10 minute explanation.I'm usually clued up on history and geography but on this one I have no idea.
Is there an unbiased history of the region and why they are fighting I can read/watch somewhere?
I have no views on the whole thing until I can read facts and make my mind up.
I have seen a lot of the British-Asian population nearby in Bradford waving Palestine flags before. Could they be from Palestine or could this just be a dig at the Jews? Do those with a Muslim faith dislike the Jewish faith?
Jews and Arabs lived alongside each other in many places quite amicably.So circa1400 years of it is a modern phenomenen to you ?
Think about that statement.are UK based Irish people to be banned from waving the Irish flag?
Agreed.I think after that attack Israel are well within their rights to attack any military targets of Hamas they see fit, I don't agree with cutting off water and food supplies to anyone it isn't the medieval times you aren't going to starve them into submission only the civilians will be harmed by that.
Hamas knowingly use their population as human shields and purposely use civilian infrastructure for military purposes, they use guerrilla warfare against a modern army whose only form of retaliation can be dropping bombs or a land war into a densely populated urban area. If Hamas cared about their children they wouldn't carried out that attack at weekend.
No idea what the solution is or what is feasible, one religion dominating and ruling some of the holiest sites in 3 different religions is not good as their is a clear bias and pilgrims of other faiths are spat on and treated like shit at times. Personally think an international peace keeping force needs to be involved and both sides forced into some form of agreement or face sanctions.
I am getting a little concerned that Hezbolla may get involved, they are very well armed and motivated and numerous, a regional conflict is not what we need
Again I see the hand of Russia controlling their new puppet Iran, it’s suits them down to the ground
Think about that statement.
If the IRA suddenly bombed Manchester again this time killing hundreds then would you be okay with Irish Republican solidarity groups suddenly coming out to fly the Irish flag in central Manchester?
Yes, you are mistaken that I would even dream of thinking that 'they are all the same'.
Though when you are taught something from birth, right through schooling (big thanks to the UNRWA there for not removing hatred from their textbooks in Palastine), there is a greater chance of actually taking up that view. Nothing is as easily influenced as the young.
I doubt a sizeable amount of the population know anything about history. And besides why aren't these same people waving flags of other countries on a regular basis. Haven't seen the streets full f people supporting the Sudanese or the Uyghurs for instance or is it only when it's the Jews who are involved that people take to the streets. And if you think those people waving their flags aren't supporting a murderous regime/ terrorist organisation whose sole intent is the total destruction of the State of Israel then I have a bridge to sell you.Because believe it or not a sizeable amount of the British population aren't particularly proud of Britain's role in the oppression of so many countries throughout history. That leads to sympathy with various oppressed or previously oppressed states and countries.
Particular to Palestine, there was rightly a huge outpouring of sympathy from Britain and people throughout Britain to Israel regarding the barbaric terrorist attack on Saturday morning, but many feel that the government and media here will set the narrative that Israel are and have always been the good guys and Palestine are the baddies. I'd guess many of those waving Palestine flags aren't celebrating Hamas or the attacks themselves but letting the Palestinian people know that they haven't been forgotten about in all of this and that the rhetoric can't simply be manufactured and history rewritten here.
You and I have had a few differences in the past, but I have to admit the level of antisemitism I've seen these last few days has really opened my eyes, there's some truly awful stuff swirling around on social media. I've never seen hate like it, but then I'm on the outside looking in, I know the history, but I've had no lived experience.This should really finish him but he's like a cockroach. If a nuclear bomb landed on his head, he'd somehow survive unscathed.
Which is the opposite to what I've stated, as you well know..........Yes, you are mistaken... ...but they do all think the same as they're brainwashed from birth.
Got it.