Middle East Conflict

[Gorton_Tubster]

I'm usually clued up on history and geography but on this one I have no idea.

Is there an unbiased history of the region and why they are fighting I can read/watch somewhere?

I have no views on the whole thing until I can read facts and make my mind up.

I have seen a lot of the British-Asian population nearby in Bradford waving Palestine flags before. Could they be from Palestine or could this just be a dig at the Jews? Do those with a Muslim faith dislike the Jewish faith?

Here you go m8y... Nice simple 10 minute explanation.

 

[robbieh]

So circa1400 years of it is a modern phenomenen to you ?

Jews and Arabs lived alongside each other in many places quite amicably.
It was the Christians who were the problem.
In the last century the animosity has been very fierce due to a land dispute and no doubt ultra religious types teaching their young to hate the other.

 

[inbetween]

are UK based Irish people to be banned from waving the Irish flag?

Think about that statement.

If the IRA suddenly bombed Manchester again this time killing hundreds then would you be okay with Irish Republican solidarity groups suddenly coming out to fly the Irish flag in central Manchester?

I'm not associating the Palestinian flag with terrorists but I am associating the people carrying it with *possibly* supporting terrorism.

Glorification of terrorist groups is illegal, it's a very fine line in my opinion.

 

[inbetween]

I think after that attack Israel are well within their rights to attack any military targets of Hamas they see fit, I don't agree with cutting off water and food supplies to anyone it isn't the medieval times you aren't going to starve them into submission only the civilians will be harmed by that.

Hamas knowingly use their population as human shields and purposely use civilian infrastructure for military purposes, they use guerrilla warfare against a modern army whose only form of retaliation can be dropping bombs or a land war into a densely populated urban area. If Hamas cared about their children they wouldn't carried out that attack at weekend.

No idea what the solution is or what is feasible, one religion dominating and ruling some of the holiest sites in 3 different religions is not good as their is a clear bias and pilgrims of other faiths are spat on and treated like shit at times. Personally think an international peace keeping force needs to be involved and both sides forced into some form of agreement or face sanctions.

Agreed.

It's pretty simple, if Saturday didn't happen then would what is currently happening be happening? No, 800+ Palestinian people would be alive and so would 1000+ Israeli's and other nationals from around the world.

It's self-defence, it's a harsh form of self-defence but put in their position I wouldn't expect any different. If I live in areas such as Ashdod and I was at risk of rocket attack then yes I'd be saying to the Israeli Air Force please stop them through whatever means necessary. I don't know why some posters on here regard that response as a war crime.

Hamas are fully capable of preventing every single civilian death in Gaza and that should be their duty given they're the defacto government in Gaza and they have chosen to do what they have. They could annex a portion of Gaza for sole military use and Israeli targeting would become a formality.... However this is the reason why they won't do this.....

 

[BobKowalski]

I am getting a little concerned that Hezbolla may get involved, they are very well armed and motivated and numerous, a regional conflict is not what we need

Again I see the hand of Russia controlling their new puppet Iran, it’s suits them down to the ground

Iran isn’t Russia’s puppet. If anything, Russia needs Iran more than Iran needs Russia. Iran acts in what it sees its own interests. As for Hezbolla getting involved it is likely more by default than anything else.

The issue is less shadowy puppet masters controlling events, but more people making it up as they go along and acting on emotion with no thought for the future, and that is way more dangerous than any puppet masters.

The Israeli‘s level Gaza then what happens? The Israeli’s can’t leave Hamas in control and don’t want to administer an area of 2 million people. It was until a week ago Israeli policy to let Hamas have control as Hamas would never accept a compromise or two state solution and that suited Netanyahu just fine. Now he is facing the biggest Israeli security lapse in living memory and his Gaza policy shredded.

As you said earlier unless underlying issues are addressed we will keep playing this situation on a bloody loop, but with Hamas on one side and Netanyahu on the other there is no pragmatic way forward that I can see. Even if both disappear there is a good chance they will be replaced by people with similar attitudes given the death and destruction all around them.

 

[The blue phantom]

Think about that statement.

If the IRA suddenly bombed Manchester again this time killing hundreds then would you be okay with Irish Republican solidarity groups suddenly coming out to fly the Irish flag in central Manchester?

But the Palestinian flags are being waved in a different country to the atrocities, They are supporting the people of Palestine even 4 or 5 days on.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Yes, you are mistaken that I would even dream of thinking that 'they are all the same'.

Though when you are taught something from birth, right through schooling (big thanks to the UNRWA there for not removing hatred from their textbooks in Palastine), there is a greater chance of actually taking up that view. Nothing is as easily influenced as the young.

Yes, you are mistaken... ...but they do all think the same as they're brainwashed from birth.

Got it.

 

[Eds]

Because believe it or not a sizeable amount of the British population aren't particularly proud of Britain's role in the oppression of so many countries throughout history. That leads to sympathy with various oppressed or previously oppressed states and countries.

Particular to Palestine, there was rightly a huge outpouring of sympathy from Britain and people throughout Britain to Israel regarding the barbaric terrorist attack on Saturday morning, but many feel that the government and media here will set the narrative that Israel are and have always been the good guys and Palestine are the baddies. I'd guess many of those waving Palestine flags aren't celebrating Hamas or the attacks themselves but letting the Palestinian people know that they haven't been forgotten about in all of this and that the rhetoric can't simply be manufactured and history rewritten here.

I doubt a sizeable amount of the population know anything about history. And besides why aren't these same people waving flags of other countries on a regular basis. Haven't seen the streets full f people supporting the Sudanese or the Uyghurs for instance or is it only when it's the Jews who are involved that people take to the streets. And if you think those people waving their flags aren't supporting a murderous regime/ terrorist organisation whose sole intent is the total destruction of the State of Israel then I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[The perfect fumble]

This should really finish him but he's like a cockroach. If a nuclear bomb landed on his head, he'd somehow survive unscathed.

You and I have had a few differences in the past, but I have to admit the level of antisemitism I've seen these last few days has really opened my eyes, there's some truly awful stuff swirling around on social media. I've never seen hate like it, but then I'm on the outside looking in, I know the history, but I've had no lived experience.

I poddle about in life, I don't hate anyone, so when folk talk of hate I've always viewed it as an exaggeration, more a conflict of interest than anything else, but not anymore.

 

[MouldensChippy]

Yes, you are mistaken... ...but they do all think the same as they're brainwashed from birth.

Got it.

Which is the opposite to what I've stated, as you well know..........

Keep washing, but the uncomfortble facts remain in place, they are a stain that won't be removed without a reformation, which cannot happen as the word is 'immutable', and will be taught, and used to promote, and carry out hate attacks by a minority. (note the word minority, because you seem to choose to ignore what is actually said)