Middle East Conflict

[ChicagoBlue]

What you've missed is that one set of cunts, who possess overwhelming military supremacy is trying to oppress, subjugate and ethnically cleanse a whole population while the other set of cunts, who were directly created and supported by the first set of cunts and now armed with today's equivalent of bows and arrows are the only military means the oppressed population have to resist the first set of cunts.
Not all cunts are equal.

And the one set of “oppressed” cunts with the bows and arrows are now upset that the “subjugating” cunts with real weapons are firing back?

That would suggest that one set of cunts could reasonably be called stupid cunts, no?

 

[Vic]

When your “soldiers” wear street garb, while carrying RPGs, that war crime, but because the IDF haven’t found “enough” terrorist infrastructure for you, there’s nothing to see? Nothing to justify attacking and destroying these tunnels?

WTF is going on in the world that there are so many terrorist sympathizers everywhere? What happened on Oct 7th was horrific. The IDF is hunting down the perpetrators, who like to use human shields and dissolve into the general population when on the run in their guerilla war. What part of that was never going to get ugly?

I dared suggest on Day One that this was going to turn into a propaganda war, because people always want “a reason” for everything and want to feel satisfied that justification meets their individual threshold. That’s the crazy You Tibe/Tik Tok/X world we live in! Find a few seconds of video clip that looks bad, esp when removed from any context, and run with it like hell! When the clicks stop, lather, rinse, repeat!

Meanwhile, we are creating division across almost all sectors of society and feeding the prejudices of everyone, no matter their “side” or beliefs.

The world us on fire, autocrats are gaining power and prominence, and the poor are looking for solutions to their plight in “otherism.”

This isn’t going to end well, because nationalism has been bubbling under the surface and it’s about to explode. Netherlands is just such a result and Ireland’s riots were reflexive enough to show that lawlessness is one YouTube video from exploding anywhere where disaffection is rife…and it’s rife EVERYWHERE!

Does "autocrats gaining power" include Netanyahu's trying to hobble the judiciary?

As for terrorist sympathisers, I've just heard a programme about whether the Pope called the bombing of Gaza terrorism. One of the interviewees actually said, Hamas are terrorists. What Israel is doing terrorises people, but it's not terrorism.

But, deliberately or not, you're still missing the point about the IDF graphics showing a sophisticated subterranean "command and control centre" to justify targeting a hospital. Apply what you said about propaganda to that unsubstantiated claim.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Does "autocrats gaining power" include Netanyahu's trying to hobble the judiciary?

Yes

As for terrorist sympathisers, I've just heard a programme about whether the Pope called the bombing of Gaza terrorism. One of the interviewees actually said, Hamas are terrorists. What Israel is doing terrorises people, but it's not terrorism.

War scares people, but this wasn’t a preemptive terror attack. What Hamas did was.

But, deliberately or not, you're still missing the point about the IDF graphics showing a sophisticated subterranean "command and control centre" to justify targeting a hospital. Apply what you said about propaganda to that unsubstantiated claim.

Whether it is there or not will be hard to determine given the rubble underground, but absence of “more” doesn’t negate what has already been known, found and shown, does it?

Tunnels used to inflict terror and then dissolve into the population…in this case under a protected hospital compound…but the Israelis are the bad guys???

You need to check your moral compass!

 

[halfcenturyup]

When your “soldiers” wear street garb, while carrying RPGs, that war crime, but because the IDF haven’t found “enough” terrorist infrastructure for you, there’s nothing to see? Nothing to justify attacking and destroying these tunnels?

WTF is going on in the world that there are so many terrorist sympathizers everywhere? What happened on Oct 7th was horrific. The IDF is hunting down the perpetrators, who like to use human shields and dissolve into the general population when on the run in their guerilla war. What part of that was never going to get ugly?

I dared suggest on Day One that this was going to turn into a propaganda war, because people always want “a reason” for everything and want to feel satisfied that justification meets their individual threshold. That’s the crazy You Tibe/Tik Tok/X world we live in! Find a few seconds of video clip that looks bad, esp when removed from any context, and run with it like hell! When the clicks stop, lather, rinse, repeat!

Meanwhile, we are creating division across almost all sectors of society and feeding the prejudices of everyone, no matter their “side” or beliefs.

The world us on fire, autocrats are gaining power and prominence, and the poor are looking for solutions to their plight in “otherism.”

This isn’t going to end well, because nationalism has been bubbling under the surface and it’s about to explode. Netherlands is just such a result and Ireland’s riots were reflexive enough to show that lawlessness is one YouTube video from exploding anywhere where disaffection is rife…and it’s rife EVERYWHERE!

That's two cunts who have called me a terrorist sympathiser for pointing out that the Israelis haven't provided evidence to support what, after all, was their own justification for occupying a hospital and forcing patients, staff and people sheltering out of what was a protected area.

You may not care, but the IDF, the Israeli government and the US clearly did by providing the justification in the first place. Is it so bad to say they didn't find what they said they were looking for?

You seem heavily invested in this. Is it connected to your concerns over the increasing Islamification of Europe?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

That's two cunts who have called me a terrorist sympathiser for pointing out that the Israelis haven't provided evidence to support what, after all, was their own justification for occupying a hospital and forcing patients, staff and people sheltering out of what was a protected area.

You may not care, but the IDF, the Israeli government and the US clearly did by providing the justification in the first place. Is it so bad to say they didn't find what they said they were looking for?

You seem heavily invested in this. Is it connected to your concerns over the increasing Islamification of Europe?

You need to gain a greater understanding of the English language, because I took GREAT PAINS to avoid calling you anything and avoiding personalizing this.

Thank you for treating me likewise.

Oh wait, you called me a ****!

Buh bye to you and your agenda.

 

[grunge]

That's two cunts who have called me a terrorist sympathiser for pointing out that the Israelis haven't provided evidence to support what, after all, was their own justification for occupying a hospital and forcing patients, staff and people sheltering out of what was a protected area.

You may not care, but the IDF, the Israeli government and the US clearly did by providing the justification in the first place. Is it so bad to say they didn't find what they said they were looking for?

You seem heavily invested in this. Is it connected to your concerns over the increasing Islamification of Europe?

With comprehensive tunnel networks isn’t it possible that the stuff got moved when it was clear the hospital was getting hit?

 

[halfcenturyup]

With comprehensive tunnel networks isn’t it possible that the stuff got moved when it was clear the hospital was getting hit?

Well, of course. But you can't move a four-storey command and control centre, as they presented it.

I am just saying they over-promoted the justification and then couldn't back it up. That's all. "Beating heart", my arse.

 

[halfcenturyup]

You need to gain a greater understanding of the English language, because I took GREAT PAINS to avoid calling you anything and avoiding personalizing this.

Thank you for treating me likewise.

Oh wait, you called me a ****!

Buh bye to you and your agenda.

If you think lambasting against terrorist sympathisers in a direct response to a perfectly reasonable point I made was taking great pains not to personalise, then I think you are the one with the poor communication skills.

Let's see if you can refrain from replying. I am guessing no. I know your type.

Don't take **** personally, btw. I think everyone is a ****. Myself included.

 

[Vic]

Yes


War scares people, but this wasn’t a preemptive terror attack. What Hamas did was.


Whether it is there or not will be hard to determine given the rubble underground, but absence of “more” doesn’t negate what has already been known, found and shown, does it?

Tunnels used to inflict terror and then dissolve into the population…in this case under a protected hospital compound…but the Israelis are the bad guys???

You need to check your moral compass!

My moral compass thinks "war scares people" as a euphemism for killing thousands is somewhere south of reality.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

My moral compass thinks "war scares people" as a euphemism for killing thousands is somewhere south of reality.

If you think all sides in a war are terrorists, I can’t help you. Does war inflict terror, absolutely! But, one side wasn’t much interested in this until the other side murdered innocents, kidnapped hundreds, and scurried back to their rat holes under the civilian population.

There is no false equivalency to be made here, so don’t try.

 

[LesBleuMiserable]

Obviously not as civilised as you might like to think.
Under the the surface, it's a brutal, racist, colonial occupying power that regularly imprisons without charge or trial, shoots children dead for throwing stones and practices an apartheid that would make the South African racists (whom the Israelis propped up and supported for decades despite international sanctions) blush.

I think your definition of "civilised" might need a revisit.

They have never been civilised. Israel from inception they have been murderers and genocide mongers and thieves. They remain that to date. The have just put on a suit and uniform with cover from the West.

 

[The blue phantom]

If you think all sides in a war are terrorists, I can’t help you. Does war inflict terror, absolutely! But, one side wasn’t much interested in this until the other side murdered innocents, kidnapped hundreds, and scurried back to their rat holes under the civilian population.

There is no false equivalency to be made here, so don’t try.

I'm pretty sure Israel is a terrorist state, In fact I'm 100% certain of it. Just because the Americans, Brittish and others countries haven't the bollocks to label them as so doesn't mean they aren't.

 

[goalmole]

They have never been civilised. Israel from inception they have been murderers and genocide mongers and thieves. They remain that to date. The have just put on a suit and uniform with cover from the West.

Well done, because that is a lot of people's definition of "civilised".
If you're white, with a European or North American background, wear a suit, speak English, pay a lip service to the Western idea of a democratic ideal then that is enough for you to be considered civilised regardless of how barbaric, duplicitous, genocidal, racist they may be.
Once you're in that club, you may go round the world bombing other people's countries in the name of establishing democracy, killing their civilians in millions in the name of collateral damage, taking away other people's land and giving it to "more developed race" that has landed on their shores from the other side of the world, you may also take away their children and give them to white families so they can bring them up in a civilised way and you put these native people in small reservations do they can rot and wither out of sight, but best of all, you present a narrative through your pliant and compliant media that labels the victims as terrorists because they won't lie down and let the lovely, soft, cuddly civilised white people get on with taking over their country and wipe out the indigenous population all the while going round the world lecturing the rest of the world on freedom democracy and human rights.
Great gig if you can get it.

 

[Vic]

If you think all sides in a war are terrorists, I can’t help you. Does war inflict terror, absolutely! But, one side wasn’t much interested in this until the other side murdered innocents, kidnapped hundreds, and scurried back to their rat holes under the civilian population.

There is no false equivalency to be made here, so don’t try.

I don't think anyone is claiming any "equivalence". Each party is nasty in its own way.

No equivalence of course but Israel doesn't need to take hostages when it can just detain people without trial. Attacking villages and killing unarmed civilians is wrong, it's just the scale of it that isn't "equivalent".

Even the Shin Bet recognises the issue.

Shin Bet chief tells PM Jewish terror incites Palestinian terror

Analysis: Netanyahu also repeatedly warned by IDF that enemies are emboldened by military's need to respond to growing West Bank violence amid refusal of volunteers for reserve duty to show up in protest of the judicial legislation

www.ynetnews.com

 

[Tim of the Oak]

With comprehensive tunnel networks isn’t it possible that the stuff got moved when it was clear the hospital was getting hit?

Yes and that makes the attack on the Neonatal Intense Care Unit at Al-Shifa hospital worse. The terrorists were never going to be there when the IDF invaded the hospital.

 

[kaz7]

The young english girl has been released , lovely to see her with her dad , finally

 

[SWP's back]

The young english girl has been released , lovely to see her with her dad , finally

Let’s hope she’s gone through nothing like the poor German girl on day one.

 

[kaz7]

Let’s hope she’s gone through nothing like the poor German girl on day one.

I dont know about that and dont want to know . The english girls dad says she is broken but alive , how do any of them stolen from their beds ever recover from that terror, she wont feel safe in her bed again

 

[halfcenturyup]

Let’s hope she’s gone through nothing like the poor German girl on day one.

Stories from the Thai captives who were released today suggest they were "well" treated: food, water, medical care. Maybe it depends which terrorists you were unlucky enough to get captured by. An inexcusably horrible experience, of course, especially for the children but, tbh, I thought they would all be dead at the end of this.

 

[Tim of the Oak]