Middle East Conflict

How do the Palistinians become unoccupied?

A democratic government representing them, one wanting a viable 2 state solution would be a start rather than Hamas who want no other outcome but the ending of Israel and the death of all Jews.

Israel 100% needs a change of leadership and view of the plight of Palestinians and what a future peace requires but as of now, today, Hamas are not capable of nor do they want any sort of meaningful dialogue.

They have one aim and it will never lead to peace.
 
A democratic government representing them, one wanting a viable 2 state solution would be a start rather than Hamas who want no other outcome but the ending of Israel and the death of all Jews.

Israel 100% needs a change of leadership and view of the plight of Palestinians and what a future peace requires but as of now, today, Hamas are not capable of nor do they want any sort of meaningful dialogue.

They have one aim and it will never lead to peace.
Wouldn't it be nice if Israelis voted for a government that wanted a viable 2 state solution?
 
Israel isn't an apartheid state though and as for treating its citizens as second class that is exactly what Hamas is doing. And there has only been one race that the word extermination has ever been used for and that is the Jews.
I have tried to stay out of the thread as of late, because I have realised I am just too close to the situation to stay calm when discussing it on here.

But I am breaking that to reply to this message because I think it is important to do so.

Much of what you and other defenders of the far-right, extreme Zionist Netanyahu government have said before, during, and after the 7 October attacks can reasonably be put down to holding a completely opposing view to those that oppose the regime based on very different beliefs systems, and some of it can genuinely be argued logically from either side based on tenets of your particular ideology. Not all defence of Israeli actions is inherently false and abhorrent, just as not all defence of Palestinian actions are inherently true and righteous.

But you have lost all credibility in the discussion by claiming that Israel is not an apartheid state.

Here is the definition of apartheid from the Cornell School of Law:

Apartheid refers to the implementation and maintenance of a system of legalized racial segregation in which one racial group is deprived of political and civil rights. Apartheid is a crime against humanity punishable under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

Israel, as it exists today, absolutely meets that definition, and has for decades.

Any denial of this widely accepted fact (outside of the official position of the Israeli state, anyway) is a tacit admission of being an extremist Zionist who is disconnected from reality and therefore no longer someone whose contributions should be taken with any merit whatsoever. Just as it was from the National Party zealots during apartheid in South Africa.

And, as a Jewish person, whose family is filled with those that descended from human beings that perished in (and survived) apartheid and the holocaust, and who has lived and worked in Israel and Palestine (and has family and friends there now), it is incredibly frightening to see how pervasive the denial of reality has become in and outside Israel.

That state of Israel has become—and has been actively carrying out—the very thing it was founded to stop from ever happening again.

The blindness to this is both dumbfounding and horrifying.
 
A democratic government representing them, one wanting a viable 2 state solution would be a start rather than Hamas who want no other outcome but the ending of Israel and the death of all Jews.

Israel 100% needs a change of leadership and view of the plight of Palestinians and what a future peace requires but as of now, today, Hamas are not capable of nor do they want any sort of meaningful dialogue.

They have one aim and it will never lead to peace.
Netanyahu and the current far-right, extreme Zionist regime would never allow any of that to happen, even if Hamas were completely wiped out tomorrow.

That is not just my opinion, it is the opinion of essentially every reputable political analyst and scholar, both in and outside of Israel.

They are completely opposed to a two state solution of any kind and Netanyahu has been actively working against such an outcome since before Rabin was assassinated for setting the foundation for it (a murder Netanyahu himself helped incite).
 
As a rabid trumper I suppose musk is vehemently pro IDF and as he manipulates X then that will be too? Probably best ignored or at least seen in that context.
Oh, I think most reasonable people already know X has, for the most part, especially with anything remotely political, become a right wing cesspit.
 
Netanyahu and the current far-right, extreme Zionist regime would never allow any of that to happen, even if Hamas were completely wiped out tomorrow.

That is not just my opinion, it is the opinion of essentially every reputable political analyst and scholar, both in and outside of Israel.

They are completely opposed to a two state solution of any kind and Netanyahu has been actively working against such an outcome since before Rabin was assassinated for setting the foundation for it (a murder Netanyahu himself helped incite).

It’s why regime change needs to happen across the region. Iran, Gaza, Lebanon and Israel.
 
Wouldn't it be nice if Israelis voted for a government that wanted a viable 2 state solution?

Yes, hence me saying 100% Israel needs a change of leadership and views of Palestinians.

So you agree that Hamas, Hezbollah and the string pullers in Iran also have to go?
 
Wouldn't it be nice if Israelis voted for a government that wanted a viable 2 state solution?
Wouldn’t it be nice if nation states didn’t vow to eradicate Jews from the face of the earth?

People in Hell want iced water. Wouldn’t it be nice if Israel provided it?!

Religious wars have been fought for centuries, even in Jolly Old, so why do we think we have reinvented the human psyche in the 21st century? Wasn’t the current Jewish psyche reinforced in the 20th by trying to exterminate them all from Europe?

Forgive the pun, but we are all trying to be holier than thou suggesting there is a long term peaceful solution to this with the current leadership in MANY COUNTRIES, both inside and outside the region.

Some people live for the chaos that provides the space for them to do their dirty work.

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