Middle East Conflict

The president continued: “Israel as soon as we made the deal they came out and they dropped a load of bombs the likes of which I had never seen before. The biggest load that we have seen. I’m not happy with Israel.”

Before departing, he said: “We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard, that they don’t know what the fuck they are doing.”

ISRAEL. DO NOT DROP THOSE BOMBS. IF YOU DO IT IS A MAJOR VIOLATION. BRING YOUR PILOTS HOME, NOW! DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.


Bit harsh, but essentially I agree with Trump that the US doesn’t know what the fuck it is doing.
 
Trump’s not happy,! “two countries right after the deal has been agreed go out and bomb the **** out of each other” :(
Surely he’s learned by now he’s not dealing with reasonable people

“Trump the ceasefire is back on” hopefully it’s a permanent ceasefire…….he’s travelling to the Netherlands for the NATO summit :)
 
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For me, the thing I just cannot get my head around about Israel (perhaps I should say just Netanyahu) is the complete lack of any morality or compassion.

In particular, their attempt to justify massive killing of civilians on the basis that "Hamas is using them as human shields". Well lets assume for a moment that this is true (although it may be lies). The clue is in the fucking word SHIELDS, Netanyahu. That means you cannot attack those terrorists because there are innocent people - men, women and above all CHILDREN there. It DOES NOT give you a green light to just say fuck it let's kill them all anyway.

Imagine a derranged gunman in the UK kills a bunch of kids in a school and then barracades himself in, taking kids and teachers as hostages. Let's call them "human shields". Would it be OK for the SAS to think fuck it lets blow up the school to get him. Sod the fact that we'll kill the teachers and the kids, we will have got him. Utter, utter madness.

It shows just how little value Netanyahu places on Palestinian lives, i.e. zero. And for that, he is and will always remain a war criminal, but above all an utter ****.
 
Trying to pick between serial liars in Trump, Netenyahu and the Iranian regime is the equivalent of finding the chosen ones from Christians, Muslims , Jews and the Jedi . Discount the Mormons because of the Osmonds .
 
Hmmm.

I guess he doesn’t trust his own insiders now.
I think it's all just bullshit

A constant stream of new bullshit to distract people from the previous load of bullshit they just unloaded on us (which in this instance was negotiations with Iran, then israel's unprovoked attack on Iran, then america's attack on Iran, and now israel breaking the ceasefire again)

Also, how did we arrive at the ludicrous situation that the US - the most powerful nation on the planet - is Israel's bitch. FFS, Americans show some goddam backbone and stop unilaterally supporting everything Israel says or does.

They are tbf. As I've said lots of MAGA heads who got trump in power are turning on him.

The control israel has over him and america is blatantly obvious and is becoming more and more obvious with every war israel starts and the daily war crimes that israel commits. Not sure where it ends at this stage tbh
 


Netanyahu leaked video 2001

Netanyahu :
No, not especially now, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction. They won’t bother us. Even if they say something to us, so what? 80% of Americans support us—it’s absurd! We have such great support there, and yet we ask ourselves, what should we do with it? Look, the previous administration under Clinton was extremely pro-Palestinian, but I wasn’t afraid to maneuver. I didn’t fear confrontation with Clinton or clashes with the UN”



Is Trump easy to manouvre?
 


Netanyahu leaked video 2001

Netanyahu :
No, not especially now, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction. They won’t bother us. Even if they say something to us, so what? 80% of Americans support us—it’s absurd! We have such great support there, and yet we ask ourselves, what should we do with it? Look, the previous administration under Clinton was extremely pro-Palestinian, but I wasn’t afraid to maneuver. I didn’t fear confrontation with Clinton or clashes with the UN”



Is Trump easy to manouvre?

Ask Putin. He demonstrates just how easy it is.
 
I think it's all just bullshit

A constant stream of new bullshit to distract people from the previous load of bullshit they just unloaded on us (which in this instance was negotiations with Iran, then israel's unprovoked attack on Iran, then america's attack on Iran, and now israel breaking the ceasefire again)

It can be bullshit. I’d give it the next few days if he goes heavy reprimand on both Iran and Israel. He might want the Nobel Peace Prize.

Still not eligible though, with his Nevada of the Middle East dream. Because Israel very likely take over Gaza. Itamar Ben Gvir right now wants Morocco as Israel because to him Israel ancestors established Marrakesh.
 
Also, how did we arrive at the ludicrous situation that the US - the most powerful nation on the planet - is Israel's bitch. FFS, Americans show some goddam backbone and stop unilaterally supporting everything Israel says or does.
Many reasons. Depth of support is not consistent across generations or other demographics. For instance -


...key generational and partisan differences. For example, only 41% of those aged 18-29 had a favorable view of Israel, compared to 69% of those aged 65 or older. Among those aged 30-49, 49% held a favorable view of Israel, and among 50–64-year old’s, 60% held a favorable view.

*snip*

Israel saw a net positive sympathy level of +46% among baby boomers (born 1946-1964), and +32% among Generation X (born 1965-1979). However, there was a massive drop-off among millennials (born 1980-2000) where net sympathy for Israel versus Palestinians was -2%.

Generally -


"This is an all-time low for the Israelis and an all-time high for the Palestinians since the Quinnipiac University Poll began asking this question of registered voters in December 2001,"

*snip*

The poll is in line with the council's latest data as well, with its latest survey finding Americans overall rate their feelings toward Israel on a scale of one to 100 as a 50—the lowest point since at least 1980. That poll surveyed 1,019 Americans from April 18 to April 20.

*snip*

A Gallup poll released in March also found the number of Americans who are sympathetic to Israel had dropped to its lowest point of 46 percent, compared to 33 percent who were sympathetic to the Palestinians.



Reviews criticizing the film’s political message only appeared in less mainstream sources. For example, Gideon Bachmann, who was present in Palestine in 1947, wrote in Film Quarterly (published by University of California Press) that the film was "dishonest" and propaganda designed to be "the best promotion Israel ever had."

Often characterized as a "Zionist epic", the film has been identified by many commentators as having been enormously influential in stimulating Zionism and support for Israel in the United States. While Preminger's film softened the anti-British and anti-Arab sentiment of the novel, the film remains contentious for its depiction of the Arab–Israeli conflict.
 
For me, the thing I just cannot get my head around about Israel (perhaps I should say just Netanyahu) is the complete lack of any morality or compassion.

In particular, their attempt to justify massive killing of civilians on the basis that "Hamas is using them as human shields". Well lets assume for a moment that this is true (although it may be lies). The clue is in the fucking word SHIELDS, Netanyahu. That means you cannot attack those terrorists because there are innocent people - men, women and above all CHILDREN there. It DOES NOT give you a green light to just say fuck it let's kill them all anyway.

Imagine a derranged gunman in the UK kills a bunch of kids in a school and then barracades himself in, taking kids and teachers as hostages. Let's call them "human shields". Would it be OK for the SAS to think fuck it lets blow up the school to get him. Sod the fact that we'll kill the teachers and the kids, we will have got him. Utter, utter madness.

It shows just how little value Netanyahu places on Palestinian lives, i.e. zero. And for that, he is and will always remain a war criminal, but above all an utter ****.
Everyone knows there's Hamas terrorists living in tunnels inside those teachers and kids. In fact there could be terrorists inside those terrorists stealing aid making the IDF shoot at them
 

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