Mike Riley

[Scareye]

Pissing my sides at this thread, well done corky and jmw you made me laugh.

Tbh I have got not idea as to why they want to keep the meeting confidential, there was absolutly nothing said remotly dodgy.
I can't see the need for the thread to continue, nobody can add anything, the op started the thread Hoping to report back after the event, sadly that's not now possible.

Had I been them I'd would wanted to show anybody and everybody the amount of work and planning that goes into the refereeing the premier league games each season.
One day they may just do that.

Untill then we must respect their wishes.

Hope you don't mind me asking, do you still believe in the agenda after last night? Or do you now think it still exists but the refs are not involved?

 

[Hart of the Matter]

Good to know some kind of fan consultation is being trialed. A bit concerned by structure of process. As someone who runs public consultation meetings as part of my job I know some of the tricks of the trade to get the answers you want. Making people feel privileged and on the inside tends to make them want to protect that position and not rock the boat. This is reinforced by invitation only system. It allows the organisation to say following consultation we can confirm that they (the fans in this case) believe x,y and z. The real question is how much were you allowed to rock the boat or even feel inclined to do so? A genuine consultation would have generated some heated questioning (as seen on this forum). Did this happen?
As I said, not interested in the content but the process and wether this is simple manipulation by them to deflect from key issues.

 

[Bill]

Pissing my sides at this thread, well done corky and jmw you made me laugh.

Tbh I have got not idea as to why they want to keep the meeting confidential, there was absolutly nothing said remotly dodgy.
I can't see the need for the thread to continue, nobody can add anything, the op started the thread Hoping to report back after the event, sadly that's not now possible.

Had I been them I'd would wanted to show anybody and everybody the amount of work and planning that goes into the refereeing the premier league games each season.
One day they may just do that.

Untill then we must respect their wishes.

Hope you don't mind me asking, do you still believe in the agenda after last night? Or do you now think it still exists but the refs are not involved?

i have'nt changed my views, i still think there is an agenda/bias call what you like to keep utd at the top. for his part i dont think mr riley is aware of it or indeed would allow a whiff of corruption in his ranks should he know about it.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

I cannot imagine that anything was said that was a genuine revelation, I have little doubt that it was mere platitudes. In that sense I'm not really too bothered that it is all being kept hush hush. I am surprised though that there isn't one single person who went there that has thought "fuck their ridiculous request for confidentiality" and reported back. It's one thing to worry that Riley won't come back (oh my god, Riley might not come back, what the fuck will we all do!!!) if this confidentiality is broken but really if these meetings are just for the benefit of the select few supporters who attend and anything of note said doesn't get relayed to fans in general then really what is the point of them? (In fact can someone tell us what the point of the meeting was?)

 

[Bill]

I cannot imagine that anything was said that was a genuine revelation, I have little doubt that it was mere platitudes. In that sense I'm not really too bothered that it is all being kept hush hush. I am surprised though that there isn't one single person who went there that has thought "fuck their ridiculous request for confidentiality" and reported back. It's one thing to worry that Riley won't come back (oh my god, Riley might not come back, what the fuck will we all do!!!) if this confidentiality is broken but really if these meetings are just for the benefit of the select few supporters who attend and anything of note said doesn't get relayed to fans in general then really what is the point of them? (In fact can someone tell us what the point of the meeting was?)

for my part i am adhering to the confidentiality request because an officer of our club was there and encouraged the request, that's good enough for me, i don't want to let mcfc down and yes we (city fans) want to be asked back.

you are right though there was no major revelations.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Pissing my sides at this thread, well done corky and jmw you made me laugh.

Tbh I have got not idea as to why they want to keep the meeting confidential, there was absolutly nothing said remotly dodgy.
I can't see the need for the thread to continue, nobody can add anything, the op started the thread Hoping to report back after the event, sadly that's not now possible.

Had I been them I'd would wanted to show anybody and everybody the amount of work and planning that goes into the refereeing the premier league games each season.
One day they may just do that.

Untill then we must respect their wishes.

Hope you don't mind me asking, do you still believe in the agenda after last night? Or do you now think it still exists but the refs are not involved?

i have'nt changed my views, i still think there is an agenda/bias call what you like to keep utd at the top. for his part i dont think mr riley is aware of it or indeed would allow a whiff of corruption in his ranks should he know about it.

The Sun Journo's will be on to this tomorrow Bill... "The Biggest U Turn Ever".

I think they'd be right.

Next time you go to a comedy gig and the comedian says please dont tell my jokes to others......

This whole thing is a farce, total waste of time.

BTW what happened to Mr Mason on Wednesday??<br /><br />-- Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:53 am --<br /><br />

I cannot imagine that anything was said that was a genuine revelation, I have little doubt that it was mere platitudes. In that sense I'm not really too bothered that it is all being kept hush hush. I am surprised though that there isn't one single person who went there that has thought "fuck their ridiculous request for confidentiality" and reported back. It's one thing to worry that Riley won't come back (oh my god, Riley might not come back, what the fuck will we all do!!!) if this confidentiality is broken but really if these meetings are just for the benefit of the select few supporters who attend and anything of note said doesn't get relayed to fans in general then really what is the point of them? (In fact can someone tell us what the point of the meeting was?)

One sure way to get banned from BlueMoon... freedom of speech is a privilidge round here, not a right.

 

[Bill]

Hope you don't mind me asking, do you still believe in the agenda after last night? Or do you now think it still exists but the refs are not involved?

i have'nt changed my views, i still think there is an agenda/bias call what you like to keep utd at the top. for his part i dont think mr riley is aware of it or indeed would allow a whiff of corruption in his ranks should he know about it.

The Sun Journo's will be on to this tomorrow Bill... "The Biggest U Turn Ever".

I think they'd be right.

Next time you go to a comedy gig and the comedian says please dont tell my jokes to others......

This whole thing is a farce, total waste of time.

BTW what happened to Mr Mason on Wednesday??

-- Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:53 am --

I cannot imagine that anything was said that was a genuine revelation, I have little doubt that it was mere platitudes. In that sense I'm not really too bothered that it is all being kept hush hush. I am surprised though that there isn't one single person who went there that has thought "fuck their ridiculous request for confidentiality" and reported back. It's one thing to worry that Riley won't come back (oh my god, Riley might not come back, what the fuck will we all do!!!) if this confidentiality is broken but really if these meetings are just for the benefit of the select few supporters who attend and anything of note said doesn't get relayed to fans in general then really what is the point of them? (In fact can someone tell us what the point of the meeting was?)

One sure way to get banned from BlueMoon... freedom of speech is a privilidge round here, not a right.

i think its bent as fuck mate but said something that made me see he would have no part in anything dodgy.

a nice fella actually and he batted away the comments from the floor very well imo.

 

[burning blue soul]

Good to know some kind of fan consultation is being trialed. A bit concerned by structure of process. As someone who runs public consultation meetings as part of my job I know some of the tricks of the trade to get the answers you want. Making people feel privileged and on the inside tends to make them want to protect that position and not rock the boat. This is reinforced by invitation only system. It allows the organisation to say following consultation we can confirm that they (the fans in this case) believe x,y and z. The real question is how much were you allowed to rock the boat or even feel inclined to do so? A genuine consultation would have generated some heated questioning (as seen on this forum). Did this happen?
As I said, not interested in the content but the process and wether this is simple manipulation by them to deflect from key issues.

i totally agree with this p.o.v. its all kiddology and pulling wool over your eyes. i am certain that there is no blatant corruption in the game (reffereeing wise) as it would be just suicidal for any of the refs to take anything, and there will always be a paper trail, somebody somewhere would know. this meeting was to try and influence a number of influential fans to change their viewpoint on refs.

but, the fact that there are blatant biased decisions can only point to the referees having an unconcious bias toward or against a certain team.

for example, lets say that the scum are playing bolton, its 0-0 and its all utd, they get a goal after playing bolton off the pitch for 85 mins. then bolton get a break and one of their players are brought down in the box by a rag. the chances of the ref giving the penalty are lower than normal because he (unconsciously) thinks the scum deserve to win the game, they have made all the pressing and attacking play and to have the scores end up level would be UNFAIR!!!! you see how easy it is? this actually happened at the swamp against fulham.

or, if the scum are 1 down and they are again figthing back to get even and are doing all the attacking. the ref will give a lot more decisions to them bacause of the effort they have put in and the dagerous situations they have created. yet again, unconscious bias comes in to award the attacking team more of a chance to get something. battling to get even or to win a game is looked upon with higher refereeing regard than trying to keep a lead or to defend well to keep the scores level for some reason.

i have mentioned this in another thread, but i am convinced that referees see city as many people see us, as buying our way to the title, of having a team full of mercenaries, of ruining the foundations of football in this country. why should we be allowed to win it, what message does it send out? this why we have had many controversial decisions go against us. the refs unconsciously see things in a biased way, they dont even know it, ask a ref if he discrimates against city and he will honestly put his hand on his heart and say no. but it is there, they will make us pay for our good luck, for being cheats!!

to me, these are the only explainations that offer a logical reason behind many shitty decisions this year.

 

[moomba]

if these meetings are just for the benefit of the select few supporters who attend and anything of note said doesn't get relayed to fans in general then really what is the point of them? (In fact can someone tell us what the point of the meeting was?)

Have to agree with that. I can see Riley asking that certain comments or statements be kept confidential, but can't really see the point in keeping the whole thing quiet.

 

[Scareye]

i have'nt changed my views, i still think there is an agenda/bias call what you like to keep utd at the top. for his part i dont think mr riley is aware of it or indeed would allow a whiff of corruption in his ranks should he know about it.

The Sun Journo's will be on to this tomorrow Bill... "The Biggest U Turn Ever".

I think they'd be right.

Next time you go to a comedy gig and the comedian says please dont tell my jokes to others......

This whole thing is a farce, total waste of time.

BTW what happened to Mr Mason on Wednesday??

-- Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:53 am --

I cannot imagine that anything was said that was a genuine revelation, I have little doubt that it was mere platitudes. In that sense I'm not really too bothered that it is all being kept hush hush. I am surprised though that there isn't one single person who went there that has thought "fuck their ridiculous request for confidentiality" and reported back. It's one thing to worry that Riley won't come back (oh my god, Riley might not come back, what the fuck will we all do!!!) if this confidentiality is broken but really if these meetings are just for the benefit of the select few supporters who attend and anything of note said doesn't get relayed to fans in general then really what is the point of them? (In fact can someone tell us what the point of the meeting was?)

One sure way to get banned from BlueMoon... freedom of speech is a privilidge round here, not a right.

i think its bent as fuck mate but said something that made me see he would have no part in anything dodgy.

a nice fella actually and he batted away the comments from the floor very well imo.

So you believe that it's bent, but also believe that the head of the referees isn't aware of it and would have no part in it.
If that is the case he really isn't very good at his job is he?