More student protests

[JoeMercer'sWay]

If one of the woman-beaters gets it in the mouth, shit happens. Although, the more general point I was making was that a bit of civil unrest isn't a bad thing.

Or an innocent member of the public? The guy who pleaded guilty is facing a maximum of 5 years for doing that. I hope he gets that maximum sentence. I bet you wouldn't be saying that if a fire extinguisher hit a member of your family who happened to be walking past, causing massive brain damage or worse? How fucking stupid can you get? (not you, someone who throws something like that off a building)

what if you're mortgage went up by £6,000 a year, or your season ticket, or your employer suddenly decided he wanted to deduct £6,000 of you even though every year before you didn't have to?

Would you not be pissed off and say no, I'm not having that and protest?

I understand that many degrees are shite and need scrapping, but there's no great amount of base jobs with any prospects going around, or apprenticeships etc. If you just expect now students to go and be binmen and "tough shit", well that's not a fair opportunity compared to what many others have got over the years nor to their parents who invested greatly in their education to be told it's down the swanny because we're forcing students to do shit, dead-end jobs instead. There has to be a balance and a compromise, whilst a gradual reformation of the education system right the way through is implemented, including making GCSE's much harder and making them a valuable qualification in their own right.

I just get the feeling you're a "fuck it, I hate students" full stop, maybe you've had to do it the hard way, maybe you weren't as lucky, I don't know, but I just think it's decent to allow others the opportunity. My mates work very hard at their respective unis and struggle financially as it is, they wouldn't be able to go back if it went up to £9,000, there's a lot more to this than just media studies students sponging off the state for 3 years.

 

[SWP's back]

So, the usual student bashers and not one legible reply to the distinction between HE and FE education, the only link between the two being comparable proposed fee increases.

Helium and Iron?

 

[metalblue]

Off I go! £9,000 for Uni to even get a look into the advertisement & media world, I wouldn't even have a sniff if I don't have that experience and extra connections that the Uni would provide.

The average annual ROR on a degree is over 12% making it a better investment than property or shares over the long term, it is an investment you make in yourself (for yourself), why should somebody else pay for that?

 

[Cake]

Disorientation with soap bombs should do it. Maybe heavily loaded bathbombs laced with Radox

Fuck that - Napalm is the solution.

Watching it live on the BBC site - I am loathe to think that some of my hard earned wages that go in tax fund this mob.

 

[Pigeonho]

Or an innocent member of the public? The guy who pleaded guilty is facing a maximum of 5 years for doing that. I hope he gets that maximum sentence. I bet you wouldn't be saying that if a fire extinguisher hit a member of your family who happened to be walking past, causing massive brain damage or worse? How fucking stupid can you get? (not you, someone who throws something like that off a building)

what if you're mortgage went up by £6,000 a year, or your season ticket, or your employer suddenly decided he wanted to deduct £6,000 of you even though every year before you didn't have to?

Would you not be pissed off and say no, I'm not having that and protest?

I understand that many degrees are shite and need scrapping, but there's no great amount of base jobs with any prospects going around, or apprenticeships etc. If you just expect now students to go and be binmen and "tough shit", well that's not a fair opportunity compared to what many others have got over the years nor to their parents who invested greatly in their education to be told it's down the swanny because we're forcing students to do shit, dead-end jobs instead. There has to be a balance and a compromise, whilst a gradual reformation of the education system right the way through is implemented, including making GCSE's much harder and making them a valuable qualification in their own right.

I just get the feeling you're a "fuck it, I hate students" full stop, maybe you've had to do it the hard way, maybe you weren't as lucky, I don't know, but I just think it's decent to allow others the opportunity. My mates work very hard at their respective unis and struggle financially as it is, they wouldn't be able to go back if it went up to £9,000, there's a lot more to this than just media studies students sponging off the state for 3 years.

What I wouldn't do is launch a fire extinguisher off a building, which is what I was on at nashark about. I go off what I have experienced, and that is working with people who openly admit to going to uni just to fuck about. As posted earlier, I work with loads of post grads and not one of them has a career which resembles the 3 years they spent working for their degree. They admit its just a fuck about and then they purposely go for jobs which mean they don't have to pay their loans back. That fucks me off, not through jealousy, because I chose not to go into any form of further education as I wanted to graft, it fucks me off because its as bone-idle and lazy as it gets. I only know 2 people who have actually gone for a degree which means something, and they are guys who got degrees in things to do with science, (don't know what exactly), and they are both down in London earning amazing money, will have long paid off their student debt and are actually doing something worthwhile with their degrees.

 

[SWP's back]

Yeah because every student really needs to be at uni to earn a decent living, none are there for 3 years on the piss before collecting a degree in meida studies/french and politics or history of art.

Also, it should be taxpayers that haven't necessarily gone to uni that should fund them.

(btw I am being sarcastic)

I am talking in general.

Everyone has decided that we should all take one in the arse and carry on as if nothing has happened.

What would your plan on fiscal policy be given the current economic climate?

I only ask as it seems you are not enjoying "taking one in the arse" at present.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

what if you're mortgage went up by £6,000 a year, or your season ticket, or your employer suddenly decided he wanted to deduct £6,000 of you even though every year before you didn't have to?

Would you not be pissed off and say no, I'm not having that and protest?

I understand that many degrees are shite and need scrapping, but there's no great amount of base jobs with any prospects going around, or apprenticeships etc. If you just expect now students to go and be binmen and "tough shit", well that's not a fair opportunity compared to what many others have got over the years nor to their parents who invested greatly in their education to be told it's down the swanny because we're forcing students to do shit, dead-end jobs instead. There has to be a balance and a compromise, whilst a gradual reformation of the education system right the way through is implemented, including making GCSE's much harder and making them a valuable qualification in their own right.

I just get the feeling you're a "fuck it, I hate students" full stop, maybe you've had to do it the hard way, maybe you weren't as lucky, I don't know, but I just think it's decent to allow others the opportunity. My mates work very hard at their respective unis and struggle financially as it is, they wouldn't be able to go back if it went up to £9,000, there's a lot more to this than just media studies students sponging off the state for 3 years.

What I wouldn't do is launch a fire extinguisher off a building, which is what I was on at nashark about. I go off what I have experienced, and that is working with people who openly admit to going to uni just to fuck about. As posted earlier, I work with loads of post grads and not one of them has a career which resembles the 3 years they spent working for their degree. They admit its just a fuck about and then they purposely go for jobs which mean they don't have to pay their loans back. That fucks me off, not through jealousy, because I chose not to go into any form of further education as I wanted to graft, it fucks me off because its as bone-idle and lazy as it gets. I only know 2 people who have actually gone for a degree which means something, and they are guys who got degrees in things to do with science, (don't know what exactly), and they are both down in London earning amazing money, will have long paid off their student debt and are actually doing something worthwhile with their degrees.

i agree about the violence, and people will always abuse any system, it's the unfortunate world we live in, but there are many, many students, who although they may not end up in specifically the subject they studied at uni for a career, do go and get good jobs and pay it back and have benefitted from it.

Wind out the totally meaningless subjects, that don't even have relevance to subjects taught at school, and instead promote apprenticeships into the media and advertising industry etc.

Educational subjects like Maths, Languages, Science etc. should be protected imo, I think people who go to unis to study proper subjects they studied at school(with variations to account for medicine, law etc.) should be allowed to continue as they are doing degrees and costs wise. Like I said I think there needs to be a compromise.

 

[Fame Monster]

Does anyone know what the natural cost of a degree is (i.e teaching and all that noise)?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Does anyone know what the natural cost of a degree is (i.e teaching and all that noise)?

i only know the tuition fee and student loan stuff, sorry.

 

[SWP's back]

What I wouldn't do is launch a fire extinguisher off a building, which is what I was on at nashark about. I go off what I have experienced, and that is working with people who openly admit to going to uni just to fuck about. As posted earlier, I work with loads of post grads and not one of them has a career which resembles the 3 years they spent working for their degree. They admit its just a fuck about and then they purposely go for jobs which mean they don't have to pay their loans back. That fucks me off, not through jealousy, because I chose not to go into any form of further education as I wanted to graft, it fucks me off because its as bone-idle and lazy as it gets. I only know 2 people who have actually gone for a degree which means something, and they are guys who got degrees in things to do with science, (don't know what exactly), and they are both down in London earning amazing money, will have long paid off their student debt and are actually doing something worthwhile with their degrees.

i agree about the violence, and people will always abuse any system, it's the unfortunate world we live in, but there are many, many students, who although they may not end up in specifically the subject they studied at uni for a career, do go and get good jobs and pay it back and have benefitted from it.

Wind out the totally meaningless subjects, that don't even have relevance to subjects taught at school, and instead promote apprenticeships into the media and advertising industry etc.

Educational subjects like Maths, Languages, Science etc. should be protected imo, I think people who go to unis to study proper subjects they studied at school(with variations to account for medicine, law etc.) should be allowed to continue as they are doing degrees and costs wise. Like I said I think there needs to be a compromise.

No. You go to uni, you get a better job through it, then you should be charged for the priviedge.

Why is it fair that someone wants to do a law degree, has the majority of it paid for when they are going to earn far more than someone not doing that degree and starting work (and paying tax) from the age of 18 and going in at the bottom of a company as office junior?

You can say that the more you earn, the more tax you pay, but unfortunately, that puts the risk (for any person) going to uni at the feet of the taxpayer.

Make the risk personal to the indivdual going to university and maybe, just maybe, universities will once again become the realm of the vocational degree and new research as opposed to rag week, bad attitude/odur and chlamydia.