More student protests

[Fame Monster]

Does anyone know what the natural cost of a degree is (i.e teaching and all that noise)?

i only know the tuition fee and student loan stuff, sorry.

I just find it hard to believe that, say 150 students paying 3.5K a year for 6/7 lecturers, doesn't pay for itself. I may well be wrong.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

i agree about the violence, and people will always abuse any system, it's the unfortunate world we live in, but there are many, many students, who although they may not end up in specifically the subject they studied at uni for a career, do go and get good jobs and pay it back and have benefitted from it.

Wind out the totally meaningless subjects, that don't even have relevance to subjects taught at school, and instead promote apprenticeships into the media and advertising industry etc.

Educational subjects like Maths, Languages, Science etc. should be protected imo, I think people who go to unis to study proper subjects they studied at school(with variations to account for medicine, law etc.) should be allowed to continue as they are doing degrees and costs wise. Like I said I think there needs to be a compromise.

No. You go to uni, you get a better job through it, then you should be charged for the priviedge.

Why is it fair that someone wants to do a law degree, has the majority of it paid for when they are going to earn far more than someone not doing that degree and starting work (and paying tax) from the age of 18 and going in at the bottom of a company as office junior?

You can say that the more you earn, the more tax you pay, but unfortunately, that puts the risk (for any person) going to uni at the feet of the taxpayer.

Make the risk personal to the indivdual going to university and maybe, just maybe, universities will once again become the realm of the vocational degree and new research as opposed to rag week, bad attitude/odur and chlamydia.

and you take away the opportunity for every single poor or public school student who can't afford it.

Then people will come back moaning about how we need so many immigrants to do jobs, immigrant doctors, nurses, dentists, vets and then wonder how nobody can get a job abroad as school education isn't sufficient for working abroad and learning a language, or how England's technological, financial and political and law areas are dying a death, or again, filled with immigrants.

There's no compromise in anyone supporting the hike in fees, you just want to fuck every young person off like your tax doesn't get wasted anyway.

 

[Jay Division]

Despise students with a passion.

Protest? You have it fucking easy you tax dodging, lazy, useless to society wankers.

99% do not go for the education.

2nd on my hate list below United.

Sorry Liam, but this is absolute bullshit. Some of us students get heavy fucking workloads, it was only the other week I was up till 3am two nights on the trot trying to get work done. If that's "Having it easy" then I want to know what having it hard is.

What I hate more is people generalising a whole population of students, as "lazy, tax dodging, useless to society wankers" because of the actions of a chunk of mind numb students who do "International Studies" as well as other shit courses. ALSO, I know for a fact there was a lot of none students there at the last protest.

 

[Pigeonho]

What I wouldn't do is launch a fire extinguisher off a building, which is what I was on at nashark about. I go off what I have experienced, and that is working with people who openly admit to going to uni just to fuck about. As posted earlier, I work with loads of post grads and not one of them has a career which resembles the 3 years they spent working for their degree. They admit its just a fuck about and then they purposely go for jobs which mean they don't have to pay their loans back. That fucks me off, not through jealousy, because I chose not to go into any form of further education as I wanted to graft, it fucks me off because its as bone-idle and lazy as it gets. I only know 2 people who have actually gone for a degree which means something, and they are guys who got degrees in things to do with science, (don't know what exactly), and they are both down in London earning amazing money, will have long paid off their student debt and are actually doing something worthwhile with their degrees.

i agree about the violence, and people will always abuse any system, it's the unfortunate world we live in, but there are many, many students, who although they may not end up in specifically the subject they studied at uni for a career, do go and get good jobs and pay it back and have benefitted from it.

Wind out the totally meaningless subjects, that don't even have relevance to subjects taught at school, and instead promote apprenticeships into the media and advertising industry etc.

Educational subjects like Maths, Languages, Science etc. should be protected imo, I think people who go to unis to study proper subjects they studied at school(with variations to account for medicine, law etc.) should be allowed to continue as they are doing degrees and costs wise. Like I said I think there needs to be a compromise.

I wouldn't disagree with that one bit my friend. Anyone who does well for themselves is ok in my book, and if studying something to aim a specific career at is what needs to be done to make that decent life, then i'm all for that. It is solely those who spend 3 years doing nothing, then come out with a meaningless bit of paper which proves they pissed an easy subject, then go onto an everyday job who piss me off. A lad I grew up on our street with was one like that. He left school, went to college then Uni and studied absolute shite. He would wear this home made 'Ken Barlow is Jesus' vest, with a military shirt over it, and would leave his hair to go all weird and knotty. I would knock on after work to see if he wanted a pint, and he would still be in bed! We drifted apart after a while and I recently got in touch via Facebook after talking to his mum. The sheer irony with him now is that he is making untold amounts of money doing the thing he loved most as kids, fixing and making programmes on computers. He went to uni and studied something that meaningless I can't remember it, but it was nothing to do with what he does now. I don't like dossers mate, never have done.

 

[SWP's back]

No. You go to uni, you get a better job through it, then you should be charged for the priviedge.

Why is it fair that someone wants to do a law degree, has the majority of it paid for when they are going to earn far more than someone not doing that degree and starting work (and paying tax) from the age of 18 and going in at the bottom of a company as office junior?

You can say that the more you earn, the more tax you pay, but unfortunately, that puts the risk (for any person) going to uni at the feet of the taxpayer.

Make the risk personal to the indivdual going to university and maybe, just maybe, universities will once again become the realm of the vocational degree and new research as opposed to rag week, bad attitude/odur and chlamydia.

and you take away the opportunity for every single poor or public school student who can't afford it.

Then people will come back moaning about how we need so many immigrants to do jobs, immigrant doctors, nurses, dentists, vets and then wonder how nobody can get a job abroad as school education isn't sufficient for working abroad and learning a language, or how England's technological, financial and political and law areas are dying a death, or again, filled with immigrants.

There's no compromise in anyone supporting the hike in fees, you just want to fuck every young person off like your tax doesn't get wasted anyway.

There is a winning argument. My tax gets wasteed, so why not waste some more on the soap dodgers.

If the debt can be paid off after uni, can you please tell me how what I say would stop poor kids from comps going to uni? There are still grants also.

 

[Fame Monster]

Why is it fair that someone wants to do a law degree, has the majority of it paid for when they are going to earn far more than someone not doing that degree and starting work (and paying tax) from the age of 18 and going in at the bottom of a company as office junior?

I think the taxpayer, if it is true that he subsides the price of a degree, pays for the 18 year old's choice to go to University. Why should someone pay for social housing if they've only lived in private property?

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

We can slag students off all we want but ultimately, if half of you lot had any semblance of education then this board wouldn't be so laughable at times. (not aimed at the OP by the way)

 

[ultimateharold]

I jacked Uni in because the lifestyle bored me and got a job. Did a degree in my own time instead. Much better way of doing things.

When I was doing if full time, someone in my flat was doing Embroidery...Embroidery!

 

[mcfcliam]

Despise students with a passion.

Protest? You have it fucking easy you tax dodging, lazy, useless to society wankers.

99% do not go for the education.

2nd on my hate list below United.

Sorry Liam, but this is absolute bullshit. Some of us students get heavy fucking workloads, it was only the other week I was up till 3am two nights on the trot trying to get work done. If that's "Having it easy" then I want to know what having it hard is.

What I hate more is people generalising a whole population of students, as "lazy, tax dodging, useless to society wankers" because of the actions of a chunk of mind numb students who do "International Studies" as well as other shit courses. ALSO, I know for a fact there was a lot of none students there at the last protest.

It's good to see you're in the 1% ;)

 

[SWP's back]

Why is it fair that someone wants to do a law degree, has the majority of it paid for when they are going to earn far more than someone not doing that degree and starting work (and paying tax) from the age of 18 and going in at the bottom of a company as office junior?

I think the taxpayer, if it is true that he subsides the price of a degree, pays for the 18 year old's choice to go to University. Why should someone pay for social housing if they've only lived in private property?

Hello mate.

Higher Education is a personal lifestyle choice that usually leads to a higher average wage during one's lifetime.

Having no where to live due to circumstance is not always a lifestyle choice.

(FYI - I am not a massive fan of the welfare state as a whole and would love a system in place where benefits would not be available unless people had paid in for a set amount of years, this apparently is not the right thing to say and usually leads to people shouting at me, so don't tell anyone).