Skashion said:You reckon Ladybarn is going to come out and say he was faking?peoffrey said:I've seen the footage already and I vividly recall watching the incident from South Stand Upper without understanding what exactly was going on. There was a rumour that a Villa fan had jumped the divide and had a go at someone but this was largely fuelled by the amount of Stewards and Police involved to eject just one man. I was more wondering if Ladybarn could confirm or deny fellow Bluemooners claims that he was "faking" when he was on the floor.
Playing Devil's Advocate, I've been going to football matches for a good 20 years now and never once had even the threat of being ejected - yet we're reading posts about Showsec after almost every home match. I'm no idiot sitting on my hands either because I sing, swear, shout, stand away from home and get wound up when we've got a blind Referee or the opponents are glorified Rugby players. Never once have I had a Steward ask for a word etc.
109 is the battleground over who is allowed to stand and who is not, hence why you hear regularly from us. 111 and 110 don't ever have that issue, nor do 116 and 117 I'm sure as they're allowed to stand without interference, whereas I got threatened with a ban against Swansea by a Showsec steward even though I'd done nowt wrong. I said it in the uploader comment in the Showsec video months and months ago, they pick people out to make an example of them over a lost cause; getting 109 to sit. Not because they've done something to actually deserve it. Nothing has changed. They backed off a bit after the Villa incident but the same shit is going on.
johnbmcr said:Skashion said:You reckon Ladybarn is going to come out and say he was faking?peoffrey said:I've seen the footage already and I vividly recall watching the incident from South Stand Upper without understanding what exactly was going on. There was a rumour that a Villa fan had jumped the divide and had a go at someone but this was largely fuelled by the amount of Stewards and Police involved to eject just one man. I was more wondering if Ladybarn could confirm or deny fellow Bluemooners claims that he was "faking" when he was on the floor.
Playing Devil's Advocate, I've been going to football matches for a good 20 years now and never once had even the threat of being ejected - yet we're reading posts about Showsec after almost every home match. I'm no idiot sitting on my hands either because I sing, swear, shout, stand away from home and get wound up when we've got a blind Referee or the opponents are glorified Rugby players. Never once have I had a Steward ask for a word etc.
109 is the battleground over who is allowed to stand and who is not, hence why you hear regularly from us. 111 and 110 don't ever have that issue, nor do 116 and 117 I'm sure as they're allowed to stand without interference, whereas I got threatened with a ban against Swansea by a Showsec steward even though I'd done nowt wrong. I said it in the uploader comment in the Showsec video months and months ago, they pick people out to make an example of them over a lost cause; getting 109 to sit. Not because they've done something to actually deserve it. Nothing has changed. They backed off a bit after the Villa incident but the same shit is going on.
this issue in 109 is that half the folks want to sit I'd rather stand the stewards are pretty ineffective and spend most of the game shouting sit down to no avail become a bit of a game with them of late people seem get thrown out for abusiveness and swearing not for standing up
johnbmcr said:Skashion said:You reckon Ladybarn is going to come out and say he was faking?peoffrey said:I've seen the footage already and I vividly recall watching the incident from South Stand Upper without understanding what exactly was going on. There was a rumour that a Villa fan had jumped the divide and had a go at someone but this was largely fuelled by the amount of Stewards and Police involved to eject just one man. I was more wondering if Ladybarn could confirm or deny fellow Bluemooners claims that he was "faking" when he was on the floor.
Playing Devil's Advocate, I've been going to football matches for a good 20 years now and never once had even the threat of being ejected - yet we're reading posts about Showsec after almost every home match. I'm no idiot sitting on my hands either because I sing, swear, shout, stand away from home and get wound up when we've got a blind Referee or the opponents are glorified Rugby players. Never once have I had a Steward ask for a word etc.
109 is the battleground over who is allowed to stand and who is not, hence why you hear regularly from us. 111 and 110 don't ever have that issue, nor do 116 and 117 I'm sure as they're allowed to stand without interference, whereas I got threatened with a ban against Swansea by a Showsec steward even though I'd done nowt wrong. I said it in the uploader comment in the Showsec video months and months ago, they pick people out to make an example of them over a lost cause; getting 109 to sit. Not because they've done something to actually deserve it. Nothing has changed. They backed off a bit after the Villa incident but the same shit is going on.
this issue in 109 is that half the folks want to sit I'd rather stand the stewards are pretty ineffective and spend most of the game shouting sit down to no avail become a bit of a game with them of late people seem get thrown out for abusiveness and swearing not for standing up
Matty said:johnbmcr said:Skashion said:You reckon Ladybarn is going to come out and say he was faking?
109 is the battleground over who is allowed to stand and who is not, hence why you hear regularly from us. 111 and 110 don't ever have that issue, nor do 116 and 117 I'm sure as they're allowed to stand without interference, whereas I got threatened with a ban against Swansea by a Showsec steward even though I'd done nowt wrong. I said it in the uploader comment in the Showsec video months and months ago, they pick people out to make an example of them over a lost cause; getting 109 to sit. Not because they've done something to actually deserve it. Nothing has changed. They backed off a bit after the Villa incident but the same shit is going on.
this issue in 109 is that half the folks want to sit I'd rather stand the stewards are pretty ineffective and spend most of the game shouting sit down to no avail become a bit of a game with them of late people seem get thrown out for abusiveness and swearing not for standing up
Last season I might have had some sympathy for those in 109 who "want to sit down" as it wasn't clear when the seasoncards were purchased what 109 would be like (i.e. standing for the whole game). This season everyone in 109 bought their seasoncard aware of what happened last season (or, if a new seasoncard holder should have done a little research into the area they were going to be located) so I have no sympathy, if you are located in 109 you'll be stood up, you had your chance to relocate (I'm sure there are numerous people who want to get into 109 and stand) and didn't take it.
I'm in 109, and I stand. I don't get grief from showsec or the stewards but that's because I'm on row DD, the very back row, so clearly I'm not going to be able to sit with 20+ rows of standing in front of me. Personally I'm happy to go with the majority. I have no deep seated desire to stand, or to sit. If everyone around me sits then I'll do likewise, not that it's a likely occurence.
Mdr said:Today is Rememberance Day. "If you're reading this I'm kicking it with the big guy".. from a letter a young soldier wrote to his parents to read if he died and unfortunately he did. I watched the festival of rememberance on the BBC last night and a few things stood out, it was incredibly sad but empowering. So, so sad, but there wasn't a sense of poor us or victimisation. Just a sense of togetherness and unity and more than anything, a need for hope.
This poor old us routine doesn't wash..or just feels wrong today.
People either like us or they don't, but you don't get thrown out of a stadium for nothing, there isn't a big session before hand of security guards looking to single out City fans. Can they be too over the top, too picky? Ya. But there's a thing known as picking your battles and this isn't one worth fighting over. Is it unfair, ya. But so is life.
Like I said, and I know it's not fair to put one situation up against the other, but this poor old us routine that some of us have going, when really you consider just how fortunate we are, is tiring to say the least.
It's bearable most days, but not today.
johnbmcr said:Matty said:johnbmcr said:this issue in 109 is that half the folks want to sit I'd rather stand the stewards are pretty ineffective and spend most of the game shouting sit down to no avail become a bit of a game with them of late people seem get thrown out for abusiveness and swearing not for standing up
Last season I might have had some sympathy for those in 109 who "want to sit down" as it wasn't clear when the seasoncards were purchased what 109 would be like (i.e. standing for the whole game). This season everyone in 109 bought their seasoncard aware of what happened last season (or, if a new seasoncard holder should have done a little research into the area they were going to be located) so I have no sympathy, if you are located in 109 you'll be stood up, you had your chance to relocate (I'm sure there are numerous people who want to get into 109 and stand) and didn't take it.
I'm in 109, and I stand. I don't get grief from showsec or the stewards but that's because I'm on row DD, the very back row, so clearly I'm not going to be able to sit with 20+ rows of standing in front of me. Personally I'm happy to go with the majority. I have no deep seated desire to stand, or to sit. If everyone around me sits then I'll do likewise, not that it's a likely occurence.
Its no where as clear cut as you state m8 to many simple generalisations about everybody knew and they can relocate if they want
I tried to relocate 4 seats to 110 but its simply not possible
I think for the time being it’s going to be sit down stand ping pong in 109 and there will be more people who'll get slung out. My experiences of both the show sec and MCFC stewards is positive they are usually helpful, chatty and actually quite discriminating about who they tackle. They have some right cases to deal with often pissed and drugged up .
The myth about being thrown out for standing is just that inevitably its because some fan(s) kick off, are offensive and threatening, particularly to the women staff. Hardly model behaviour and completely unnecessary.
BezzMCFC said:I am doing an open letter to city/fletcher regarding the gulf between the fans and the club show sec n fletcher have and still are creating. Any in put from any on here would be great.. I would be better if we could get a few hundred blues backing this.
Matty said:I'd hope if you were getting a seasoncard for the first time you'd either A - Been to many games already, so therefore seen 109 from your various vantage points or B - Done a litle research into where you wnated to sit, and what the atmosphere/fans around you might be like. With the internet it's a piece of piss to do that kind of thing in a matter or minutes.