Morgan Gibbs-White

nmc said:
Sometimes it’s about what clubs need - people don’t want to hear it but our midfield needs a decent number 8 and without it a number 10 would be pointless. We lack creativity but we also lack pace and power at the moment. MGW and Wirtz would have been ideal but it’s not happening and we will unlikely get a 10 now because there’s no one else out there who can replace KDB (if I’m honest I think Wirtz may have struggled to be what we want him to be - not that he’s not a good player). but we will build a decent midfield again that will dominate most teams next season. My other worry is we need more pace in the back 4, to deal with swift counter attacks.
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Tijjani has pace plays where gundo did and scores goals
Nico is comfortable playing more advance and again in the gundo/kova role, he also has an eye for goal when more advenced.
Oreilly is a inside left or central attacking midfileder who can drift wide or tuck in
Marmoush is a striker or can drop behind a target man into attacking midfiled from left or central
Add Foden back on form

We buy Tijjani and have tge 3 other options we don't need gibbs-white who is the same type of midfielder as Rejinders and Nico, we need one who can split passes, open up defences and create openings for haalalnd.

If we buy him he is automatically 4th/5th choice starter for me as all above are better imho
 
Strangerepublic said:
I think this question on whether he is "mediocre" misses the point a bit.
Forgive me if incorrect as I always find this confusing, but we have certain squad places reserved for domestic English players. And if we don't have enough, we can't fill those in with foreign players.

We are likely losing Walker, Grealish, Stones seems increasingly fragile.

So, the question really is, is MGW the best ENGLISH player to add to our squad. Not whether he is as good as some hypothetical Spanish or German player.

And it does seem like he is a decent enough player. Which other ENGLISH player would you have?
I really like Adam Wharton, but it feels like defensive midfield is pretty crowded, so....
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People are getting mixed up a bit I think on some of our kids already being part of the full squad officially

Bobb, Rico, Orielly are not listed in our 25 man squad list but our under 21 list so if we fully.move them up they will cover 3 of the home grown requirements that grealish, stones and walker take up as all 3 will have passed the freshhold age wise, add promoting Spike to 2nd choice keeper

Present Squad listings for this season straight from tge premier league site

25 Squad players (*Home grown)
1 Akanji, Manuel Obafemi
2 Ake, Nathan Benjamin*
3 Carson, Scott Paul*
4 De Bruyne, Kevin
5 Doku, Jeremy Baffour
6 Dos Santos Gato Alves Dias, Ruben
7 Foden, Philip Walter*
8 Gonzalez Iglesias, Nicolas
9 Grealish, Jack Peter*
10 Gundogan, Ilkay
11 Gvardiol, Josko
12 Haaland, Erling Braut
13 Hernandez Cascante, Rodrigo
14 Kovacic, Mateo
15 Marmoush, Omar Khaled
16 McAtee, James John*
17 Mota Veiga De Carvalho E Silva, Bernardo
18 Nunes, Matheus Luiz
19 Ortega Moreno, Stefan
20 Santana De Moraes, Ederson
21 Stones, John*

U21 players (Contract and Scholars)
1 Alcala, Alejandro
2 Alfa-Ruprecht, Farid
3 Alleyne, Max Lewis Rowe
4 Bah, Abdulai Juma
5 Bobb, Oscar
6 Braithwaite, Kaden Elliot
7 Breckin, Kian
8 Brits, Thorsten Spike
9 Burns, Finley Jack
10 Carrington, Ezra Sheridan
11 Courtman, Charlie
12 Da Silva Chagas, Kayky
13 Dada-Mascoll, Isaiah Jelani Oladele Adedeji
14 De Oliveira Nunes Dos Reis, Vitor
15 Dickson, William Steven
16 Doyle, Callum Craig
17 Drake, Leke
18 Dunbar-McDonald, Christian Ky-Andre
19 Echeverri, Claudio Jeremias
20 Fapetu, Oluwafemi David Adetayo
21 Fletcher, Luca George Murphy
22 Galvez, Tomas Kristian
23 Grant, True Blakeley
24 Gray, Charlie George
25 Henderson-Hall, Matthew James
26 Heskey, Jaden Emile Tyrone
27 Heskey, Reigan William Stephen
28 Hudson, Max
29 Katongo, Jadel Chanda
30 Khusanov, Abdukodir
31 Lawrence, Emilio Alford Anthony
32 Lewis, Rico Mark
33 Lienou, Jayden Patipe
34 Mbete-Tabu, Luke
35 McAidoo, Ryan Kelly
36 McFarlane, Christian Hector
37 Mfuni, Stephen-Nevin Mutanda
38 Midwood, Kylan Jo-Aiden Ian
39 Miles, Harrison Frank
40 Moreira De Oliveira, Sávio
41 Mubama, Divin Saku
42 Muir, Ashton Lee
43 Mukasa, Divine Tayon Mahogany
44 Naylor, Sebastian Jacob
45 Ndala, Joel Tshisanga
46 Nfonkeu Feuba, Brooklyn
47 Noble, Kian Lee
48 O'Reilly, Nico
49 Oboavwoduo, Justin Oke
50 Okeke, Michael Chinonso
51 Parker, Harrison Percival
52 Perrone Rodriguez, Maximo
53 Samba, Tyrone Prosper William
54 Samuel, Lakyle
55 Simpson-Pusey, Jahmai
56 Smith, Isaac James
57 Sodje, Taione Richard Evumena
58 Susoho Sissoho, Mahamadou
59 Tevenan, Oliver Louis
60 Thomas, Rhys Lloyd
61 Warhurst, Matthew Ethan
62 Whatmuff, Oliver Jackson
63 Wint, Jack Thomas Charles
64 Wright, Jacob Anthony
 
urban genie said:
Tijjani has pace plays where gundo did and scores goals
Nico is comfortable playing more advance and again in the gundo/kova role, he also has an eye for goal when more advenced.
Oreilly is a inside left or central attacking midfileder who can drift wide or tuck in
Marmoush is a striker or can drop behind a target man into attacking midfiled from left or central
Add Foden back on form

We buy Tijjani and have tge 3 other options we don't need gibbs-white who is the same type of midfielder as Rejinders and Nico, we need one who can split passes, open up defences and create openings for haalalnd.

If we buy him he is automatically 4th/5th choice starter for me as all above are better imho
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Definitely need someone who can pass the ball.
That man doesn't need to be fast, score goals, etc. Just be able to thread a pass.

Used to have multiple of that sort at one point - David Silva, Yaya, KDB. And as someone pointed out, even Wirtz might not be that kind of player, excellent though he is.
 
CC1 said:
Nunes should stay. Will be good in front of a decent right back
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He’s started to look good playing with Bernie. If Nunes overlaps Bernie drops back and he’s constantly pushing Nunes to do more going forward.

They are a great combo on the right.
 
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urban genie said:
People are getting mixed up a bit I think on some of our kids already being part of the full squad officially

Bobb, Rico, Orielly are not listed in our 25 man squad list but our under 21 list so if we fully.move them up they will cover 3 of the home grown requirements that grealish, stones and walker take up as all 3 will have passed the freshhold age wise, add promoting Spike to 2nd choice keeper

Present Squad listings for this season straight from tge premier league site

25 Squad players (*Home grown)
1 Akanji, Manuel Obafemi
2 Ake, Nathan Benjamin*
3 Carson, Scott Paul*
4 De Bruyne, Kevin
5 Doku, Jeremy Baffour
6 Dos Santos Gato Alves Dias, Ruben
7 Foden, Philip Walter*
8 Gonzalez Iglesias, Nicolas
9 Grealish, Jack Peter*
10 Gundogan, Ilkay
11 Gvardiol, Josko
12 Haaland, Erling Braut
13 Hernandez Cascante, Rodrigo
14 Kovacic, Mateo
15 Marmoush, Omar Khaled
16 McAtee, James John*
17 Mota Veiga De Carvalho E Silva, Bernardo
18 Nunes, Matheus Luiz
19 Ortega Moreno, Stefan
20 Santana De Moraes, Ederson
21 Stones, John*

U21 players (Contract and Scholars)
1 Alcala, Alejandro
2 Alfa-Ruprecht, Farid
3 Alleyne, Max Lewis Rowe
4 Bah, Abdulai Juma
5 Bobb, Oscar
6 Braithwaite, Kaden Elliot
7 Breckin, Kian
8 Brits, Thorsten Spike
9 Burns, Finley Jack
10 Carrington, Ezra Sheridan
11 Courtman, Charlie
12 Da Silva Chagas, Kayky
13 Dada-Mascoll, Isaiah Jelani Oladele Adedeji
14 De Oliveira Nunes Dos Reis, Vitor
15 Dickson, William Steven
16 Doyle, Callum Craig
17 Drake, Leke
18 Dunbar-McDonald, Christian Ky-Andre
19 Echeverri, Claudio Jeremias
20 Fapetu, Oluwafemi David Adetayo
21 Fletcher, Luca George Murphy
22 Galvez, Tomas Kristian
23 Grant, True Blakeley
24 Gray, Charlie George
25 Henderson-Hall, Matthew James
26 Heskey, Jaden Emile Tyrone
27 Heskey, Reigan William Stephen
28 Hudson, Max
29 Katongo, Jadel Chanda
30 Khusanov, Abdukodir
31 Lawrence, Emilio Alford Anthony
32 Lewis, Rico Mark
33 Lienou, Jayden Patipe
34 Mbete-Tabu, Luke
35 McAidoo, Ryan Kelly
36 McFarlane, Christian Hector
37 Mfuni, Stephen-Nevin Mutanda
38 Midwood, Kylan Jo-Aiden Ian
39 Miles, Harrison Frank
40 Moreira De Oliveira, Sávio
41 Mubama, Divin Saku
42 Muir, Ashton Lee
43 Mukasa, Divine Tayon Mahogany
44 Naylor, Sebastian Jacob
45 Ndala, Joel Tshisanga
46 Nfonkeu Feuba, Brooklyn
47 Noble, Kian Lee
48 O'Reilly, Nico
49 Oboavwoduo, Justin Oke
50 Okeke, Michael Chinonso
51 Parker, Harrison Percival
52 Perrone Rodriguez, Maximo
53 Samba, Tyrone Prosper William
54 Samuel, Lakyle
55 Simpson-Pusey, Jahmai
56 Smith, Isaac James
57 Sodje, Taione Richard Evumena
58 Susoho Sissoho, Mahamadou
59 Tevenan, Oliver Louis
60 Thomas, Rhys Lloyd
61 Warhurst, Matthew Ethan
62 Whatmuff, Oliver Jackson
63 Wint, Jack Thomas Charles
64 Wright, Jacob Anthony
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Thanks - very helpful list that.
Still, does point out that we are losing a clutch of the main English squad members - even Ake and Carson potentially.

The other question is whether we are simply going to lose Mcatee and replace him with MGW
Which again might make sense in terms of positions, just something that makes you queasy after the Palmer transfer as Mcatee could become a very good player.

Still feel we should also grab Wharton, in any case, as that's the kind of English player that's really rare.
 
Strangerepublic said:
Thanks - very helpful list that.
Still, does point out that we are losing a clutch of the main English squad members - even Ake and Carson potentially.

The other question is whether we are simply going to lose Mcatee and replace him with MGW
Which again might make sense in terms of positions, just something that makes you queasy after the Palmer transfer as Mcatee could become a very good player.

Still feel we should also grab Wharton, in any case, as that's the kind of English player that's really rare.
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wpuld.love.us go for wharton, he wpuld.compliment rodri aand nico wel landalso free eother up to play box to box and higher up at times, if we go for any English midfielder I would prefer him tbh
 
Wonder what happens if Forest get Champions league

Does he stay? If he doesn't his value shoots up about £20mil (if not more) on what I imagine is gonna be a VERY expensive signing (£80m? £100m?)

I still don't think he's good enough, think we're singing too many "good" players when we should be targeting elite ones

Other than us is anyone even interested in him?

Just worry because everytime he does something good it's usually when there is a lot of space to exploit as Forest play the polar opposite of us. When opponents haven't engaged Forest he's looked like a average midfielder.

If Pep plans to change our style to be more direct that'll help but I just can't see it, Pep default is to get MORE control and slower play
 
urban genie said:
People are getting mixed up a bit I think on some of our kids already being part of the full squad officially

Bobb, Rico, Orielly are not listed in our 25 man squad list but our under 21 list so if we fully.move them up they will cover 3 of the home grown requirements that grealish, stones and walker take up as all 3 will have passed the freshhold age wise, add promoting Spike to 2nd choice keeper

Present Squad listings for this season straight from tge premier league site

25 Squad players (*Home grown)
1 Akanji, Manuel Obafemi
2 Ake, Nathan Benjamin*
3 Carson, Scott Paul*
4 De Bruyne, Kevin
5 Doku, Jeremy Baffour
6 Dos Santos Gato Alves Dias, Ruben
7 Foden, Philip Walter*
8 Gonzalez Iglesias, Nicolas
9 Grealish, Jack Peter*
10 Gundogan, Ilkay
11 Gvardiol, Josko
12 Haaland, Erling Braut
13 Hernandez Cascante, Rodrigo
14 Kovacic, Mateo
15 Marmoush, Omar Khaled
16 McAtee, James John*
17 Mota Veiga De Carvalho E Silva, Bernardo
18 Nunes, Matheus Luiz
19 Ortega Moreno, Stefan
20 Santana De Moraes, Ederson
21 Stones, John*

U21 players (Contract and Scholars)
1 Alcala, Alejandro
2 Alfa-Ruprecht, Farid
3 Alleyne, Max Lewis Rowe
4 Bah, Abdulai Juma
5 Bobb, Oscar
6 Braithwaite, Kaden Elliot
7 Breckin, Kian
8 Brits, Thorsten Spike
9 Burns, Finley Jack
10 Carrington, Ezra Sheridan
11 Courtman, Charlie
12 Da Silva Chagas, Kayky
13 Dada-Mascoll, Isaiah Jelani Oladele Adedeji
14 De Oliveira Nunes Dos Reis, Vitor
15 Dickson, William Steven
16 Doyle, Callum Craig
17 Drake, Leke
18 Dunbar-McDonald, Christian Ky-Andre
19 Echeverri, Claudio Jeremias
20 Fapetu, Oluwafemi David Adetayo
21 Fletcher, Luca George Murphy
22 Galvez, Tomas Kristian
23 Grant, True Blakeley
24 Gray, Charlie George
25 Henderson-Hall, Matthew James
26 Heskey, Jaden Emile Tyrone
27 Heskey, Reigan William Stephen
28 Hudson, Max
29 Katongo, Jadel Chanda
30 Khusanov, Abdukodir
31 Lawrence, Emilio Alford Anthony
32 Lewis, Rico Mark
33 Lienou, Jayden Patipe
34 Mbete-Tabu, Luke
35 McAidoo, Ryan Kelly
36 McFarlane, Christian Hector
37 Mfuni, Stephen-Nevin Mutanda
38 Midwood, Kylan Jo-Aiden Ian
39 Miles, Harrison Frank
40 Moreira De Oliveira, Sávio
41 Mubama, Divin Saku
42 Muir, Ashton Lee
43 Mukasa, Divine Tayon Mahogany
44 Naylor, Sebastian Jacob
45 Ndala, Joel Tshisanga
46 Nfonkeu Feuba, Brooklyn
47 Noble, Kian Lee
48 O'Reilly, Nico
49 Oboavwoduo, Justin Oke
50 Okeke, Michael Chinonso
51 Parker, Harrison Percival
52 Perrone Rodriguez, Maximo
53 Samba, Tyrone Prosper William
54 Samuel, Lakyle
55 Simpson-Pusey, Jahmai
56 Smith, Isaac James
57 Sodje, Taione Richard Evumena
58 Susoho Sissoho, Mahamadou
59 Tevenan, Oliver Louis
60 Thomas, Rhys Lloyd
61 Warhurst, Matthew Ethan
62 Whatmuff, Oliver Jackson
63 Wint, Jack Thomas Charles
64 Wright, Jacob Anthony
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Some on the under 21 list will have to move into the main squad list next season though, such as Bobb, Khusanov etc. We also have the likes of Walker, Phillips, Bah and Doyle returning from loans.

It's also tougher with the CL squad rules, which meant Reis and Echeverri couldn't be registered at all this season.

If you look at players that are on our books that would be expecting some game time if they stayed, you would have something like:

Ederson
Ortega
Carson
Akanji
Ake
Stones
Dias
Gvardiol
Reis
Khusanov
Bah
Lewis
O'Reilly
Nunes
Rodri
Bernardo
Kovacic
Gundogan
Gonzalez
Foden
Savinho
Doku
Marmoush
Bobb
Grealish
Haaland

Walker
Phillips
Doyle

Plus let's say 4 new signings before any departures. I haven't included KdB for obvious reason.

By my reckoning that would be 33 players (sorry if I have missed any) and Guardiola has said he wants a smaller squad. Obviously some of those aren't going to play a part next season but they are still under contract and we need to find clubs for them.

So we would need at least 10 players to leave either on loan or to be sold. That will take quite some doing and trying to balance the squads to match PL and CL (if we qualify) quotas could be problematic, especially as a number that we would perhaps expect to exit are HG.

It's a good job that we have 2 DOFs this Summer!
 
PragueBlue said:
Some on the under 21 list will have to move into the main squad list next season though, such as Bobb, Khusanov etc. We also have the likes of Walker, Phillips, Bah and Doyle returning from loans.

It's also tougher with the CL squad rules, which meant Reis and Echeverri couldn't be registered at all this season.

If you look at players that are on our books that would be expecting some game time if they stayed, you would have something like:

Ederson
Ortega
Carson
Akanji
Ake
Stones
Dias
Gvardiol
Reis
Khusanov
Bah
Lewis
O'Reilly
Nunes
Rodri
Bernardo
Kovacic
Gundogan
Gonzalez
Foden
Savinho
Doku
Marmoush
Bobb
Grealish
Haaland

Walker
Phillips
Doyle

Plus let's say 4 new signings before any departures. I haven't included KdB for obvious reason.

By my reckoning that would be 33 players (sorry if I have missed any) and Guardiola has said he wants a smaller squad. Obviously some of those aren't going to play a part next season but they are still under contract and we need to find clubs for them.

So we would need at least 10 players to leave either on loan or to be sold. That will take quite some doing and trying to balance the squads to match PL and CL (if we qualify) quotas could be problematic, especially as a number that we would perhaps expect to exit are HG.

It's a good job that we have 2 DOFs this Summer!
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Costa
Spike*
LB(*)
RB(*)
Ake*
Dias
Gvardiol
Reis
Khusanov
Bah
Lewis*
O'Reilly*
Rodri
Bernardo
Gundogan
Gonzalez
Tiajjani
Foden*
Savinho
Doku
Marmoush
Bobb*
Haaland
Gibbs-white (or rodrygo)

homegrown *

there you go 25 as per Prem rules with diogo, tiajjani, one of the other mids and 2 full backs

players removed that we should be be letting go

Has no one learned over these 10 years Peps is not always fully honest, yes he likes a small squad but he tend to utilize about 25 players a season even whenn we are at full strength

if that 25 were fit 90% of the season all would get games but he is less likely to blood the EDS unless its cups or a real talent is considered


Edit no arsed about uefa requirements before I am educated on it, if we are playing gibbs white in champions league games then we ain't winning the fucker
 
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PragueBlue said:
Some on the under 21 list will have to move into the main squad list next season though, such as Bobb, Khusanov etc. We also have the likes of Walker, Phillips, Bah and Doyle returning from loans.

It's also tougher with the CL squad rules, which meant Reis and Echeverri couldn't be registered at all this season.

If you look at players that are on our books that would be expecting some game time if they stayed, you would have something like:

Ederson
Ortega
Carson
Akanji
Ake
Stones
Dias
Gvardiol
Reis
Khusanov
Bah
Lewis
O'Reilly
Nunes
Rodri
Bernardo
Kovacic
Gundogan
Gonzalez
Foden
Savinho
Doku
Marmoush
Bobb
Grealish
Haaland

Walker
Phillips
Doyle

Plus let's say 4 new signings before any departures. I haven't included KdB for obvious reason.

By my reckoning that would be 33 players (sorry if I have missed any) and Guardiola has said he wants a smaller squad. Obviously some of those aren't going to play a part next season but they are still under contract and we need to find clubs for them.

So we would need at least 10 players to leave either on loan or to be sold. That will take quite some doing and trying to balance the squads to match PL and CL (if we qualify) quotas could be problematic, especially as a number that we would perhaps expect to exit are HG.

It's a good job that we have 2 DOFs this Summer!
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Grealish, Walker, Phillips & Callum Doyle are all gone so that's 4 off your list for starters. Foden, Bobb, O'Reilly & Lewis will be club trained for CL purposes. Stones, Ake, Grealish & Carson are the current HG players and all 4 could be gone this summer. Hence the interest in the likes of MGW.

That's 7 off the list and is presuming that Bah does stay. We're now down to a squad of 22 before any incomings. We'd need to lose one of the open spot players and have a HG 3rd choice goalie.
 
Strangerepublic said:
I think this question on whether he is "mediocre" misses the point a bit.
Forgive me if incorrect as I always find this confusing, but we have certain squad places reserved for domestic English players. And if we don't have enough, we can't fill those in with foreign players.

We are likely losing Walker, Grealish, Stones seems increasingly fragile.

So, the question really is, is MGW the best ENGLISH player to add to our squad. Not whether he is as good as some hypothetical Spanish or German player.

And it does seem like he is a decent enough player. Which other ENGLISH player would you have?
I really like Adam Wharton, but it feels like defensive midfield is pretty crowded, so....
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At the minute the choices aren't outstanding either. The better option first and foremost is to use our Academy more when it comes to supplimenting the squad with English players rather than buy what is out in the market.
 
handsofstone said:
Wonder what happens if Forest get Champions league

Does he stay? If he doesn't his value shoots up about £20mil (if not more) on what I imagine is gonna be a VERY expensive signing (£80m? £100m?)

I still don't think he's good enough, think we're singing too many "good" players when we should be targeting elite ones

Other than us is anyone even interested in him?

Just worry because everytime he does something good it's usually when there is a lot of space to exploit as Forest play the polar opposite of us. When opponents haven't engaged Forest he's looked like a average midfielder.

If Pep plans to change our style to be more direct that'll help but I just can't see it, Pep default is to get MORE control and slower play
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urban genie said:
Costa
Spike*
LB(*)
RB(*)
Ake*
Dias
Gvardiol
Reis
Khusanov
Bah
Lewis*
O'Reilly*
Rodri
Bernardo
Gundogan
Gonzalez
Tiajjani
Foden*
Savinho
Doku
Marmoush
Bobb*
Haaland
Gibbs-white (or rodrygo)

homegrown *

there you go 25 as per Prem rules with diogo, tiajjani, one of the other mids and 2 full backs

players removed that we should be be letting go

Has no one learned over these 10 years Peps is not always fully honest, yes he likes a small squad but he tend to utilize about 25 players a season even whenn we are at full strength

if that 25 were fit 90% of the season all would get games but he is less likely to blood the EDS unless its cups or a real talent is considered


Edit no arsed about uefa requirements before I am educated on it, if we are playing gibbs white in champions league games then we ain't winning the fucker
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There is zero chance that our second choice keeper will be a teenager who hasn’t played a minute of league football.
 
LongsightM13 said:
There is zero chance that our second choice keeper will be a teenager who hasn’t played a minute of league football.
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but it should be


people said the same when it was suggested we promote trafford and not buy ortega, the lad was primed to be 2nd choice and slowly become 1st xhouc when necessary, thw same could be said of Spike if we buy Costa
 
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