BlueRob01
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Gelsons Dad said:
I would suggest it's more a case of geopgraphy than history really, which is an entirely subjective notion anyway.
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Morrissey - The Falkland Islands belong to Argentina
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I would suggest it's more a case of geopgraphy than history really, which is an entirely subjective notion anyway.
Citizenhill
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Gelsons Dad said:Citizenhill said:His opinion, you could argue all day long about it, but for the fact of the matter it's more about the people living on the islands rather than who it actually belongs to (which is definitely Argentina) and that's the problem for me.
Could you explain in historical context why the Falkland "actually belong to" Argentina?
I can't and I won't pretend to know. Just fucking stupid a bunch of islands half way around the world, closest to Argentina, are owned by us. Some stuck up British mentality suddenly thinks we deserve them.
Gelsons Dad
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Mad Eyed Screamer said:SWP's back said:Wrong on both counts. Why do the belong to Argentina?BlueRob01 said:The man is a legend. And totally right again.
Why do they ''belong'' to Britain?
Because we were the first nation to settle there. Before Argentina even existed. We did not conquer any indigenous population and there is no evidence of any earlier settlements.<br /><br />-- Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:24 pm --<br /><br />
BlueRob01 said:Gelsons Dad said:BlueRob01 said:The man is a legend. And totally right again.
Could you explain in historical terms why Argentina have a claim to the Falkland Islands please?
I would suggest it's more a case of geopgraphy than history really, which is an entirely subjective notion anyway.
If it's just down to who is closest then we should claim Ireland and France.
Ducado
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Citizenhill said:Gelsons Dad said:Citizenhill said:His opinion, you could argue all day long about it, but for the fact of the matter it's more about the people living on the islands rather than who it actually belongs to (which is definitely Argentina) and that's the problem for me.
Could you explain in historical context why the Falkland "actually belong to" Argentina?
I can't and I won't pretend to know. Just fucking stupid a bunch of islands half way around the world, closest to Argentina, are owned by us. Some stuck up British mentality suddenly thinks we deserve them.
So the the people that live on them don't have a choice in matter?
Anyway back on topic, like Morrissey but he can be a bit of an attention whore when it suits, it was not so long ago he was claiming to be a Millwall fan, I guess it gets him on the 3rd page of the Sun though
Mad Eyed Screamer
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gordondaviesmoustache said:Mad Eyed Screamer said:SWP's back said:Wrong on both counts. Why do the belong to Argentina?
Why do they ''belong'' to Britain?
Why does Texas "belong" to the USA?
Why does Northern Ireland belong to Great Britain? (which is what I guess Morrissey is really relating to the Argentinians)
TCIB
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gordondaviesmoustache said:Mad Eyed Screamer said:http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1487275_morrissey-tells-concert-audience-in-argentina-the-falkland-islands-belong-to-you
Former Smiths frontman Morrissey has waded into the row over the Falkland Islands telling the audience at an Argentinian gig that they "belong to you". The singer, who counts Prime Minister David Cameron among his fans, made the remarks during a concert in Cordoba, Argentina, yesterday. He said: "You know of course the Malvinas Islands, everybody knows they belong to Argentina so please do not blame the British people, we know the islands belong to you". He is the latest in a line of celebrities to voice their opinion amid heightened tensions between Britain and Argentina over the islands, which led to the two nations going to war in 1982. Earlier this week, former Pink Floyd star Roger Waters said the islands should belong to Argentina, according to a TV presenter who interviewed him. Chilean host Amaro Gomez-Pablos claimed 68-year-old Waters made the comments in an interview. Waters has taken a strong anti-war stance for many years and aired his opposition to the Falklands War in Floyd's 1983 album The Final Cut. The bass player, who was just five months old when the father he never met was killed during the Second World War, was in Chile to perform a live version of The Wall, which has a strong anti-conflict theme. Gomez-Pablos - an anchor for Chile's public broadcaster TVN - said Waters told him: "The Falklands are Argentinian." Last week, US actor and director Sean Penn aired his views on the subject. He said the UK should join in UN-sponsored talks, adding: "I think that the world today is not going to tolerate any kind of ludicrous and archaic commitment to colonialist ideology." Morrissey has consistently courted controversy throughout his career criticising fellow singers and including a track called Margaret on the Guillotine - in which he mused about the execution of Baroness Thatcher - on his solo debut album in 1988
I'm hardly a Little Englander imperialist, but I believe The Falklands have been British since 1812, which is far longer than Texas has been part of the USA, for example. Perhaps he could point that out next time he's doing a gig in Mexico City.
Morrissey is a dreary **** and whilst I know this will offend many on here, his music is shit, as is his taste in food ;-)
Fully agree,his music is shite and sounds generic to me.
I think he is a smug misserable **** and if i never heard his name or his music again i would throw a party.
There is nothing "obvious" about Argentina owning the falklands at all. It may be geographically andthats it.
It seems those who think like Morrisey do not understand how the world around them was built.
From 1900-1950 the worlds borders changed a lot due to war, lands changed and boundaries shortened/extended, long story short that is.
Just because some have their own ideals about things does not make them correct.
Sing your song and shut your mouth you monotone fucking arsehole.
@Citizenhill
British blood was spilt for that also you disrespectful narrow minded under educated fool, show some respect you silly little boy.
gordondaviesmoustache
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Mad Eyed Screamer said:gordondaviesmoustache said:Mad Eyed Screamer said:Why do they ''belong'' to Britain?
Why does Texas "belong" to the USA?
Why does Northern Ireland belong to Great Britain? (which is what I guess Morrissey is really relating to the Argentinians)
Because "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" wouldn't make any sense otherwise would it? ;-)
The will of the local people is what Northern Ireland and The Falklands have in common.
As a footnote, I have always said partition in 1921 was a mistake, but we have to take the world as we find it in many instances - for better or worse - and this is one of those occasions.
BlueRob01
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Gelsons Dad said:Mad Eyed Screamer said:SWP's back said:Wrong on both counts. Why do the belong to Argentina?
Why do they ''belong'' to Britain?
Because we were the first nation to settle there. Before Argentina even existed. We did not conquer any indigenous population and there is no evidence of any earlier settlements.
Now this may be a radical idea I know, but if anybody there wants to remain British they can.
Come and live in an island called Britain.
Simple.