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worsleyweb
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13 BILLION IS desperate stuff
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Motability - the farce
- Thread starter bluethrunthru
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13 BILLION IS desperate stuff
Yaya_Tony
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Not really men of the people, are they? If they were, a twenty quid b&b should be OK, considering finances are tight. Why would you want them 5 star apart from to illustrate how removed from the electorate they really are? The religion thing was an oversight on my part, apologies. When any politicians refer to thanking God, or using it as an excuse to bomb someone else, it's sickening. The simmering hatred from other parts of the world is understandable, "we" behave like cunts. "We" because many people don't think that way, the camerons of this world are not supported by anyone with half a brainWhat has a 5 star hotel got to do with anything? If someone was running the country I would hope they would be staying 5 star. Did I mention anything about Nuclear determent? I am no expert in that as I am sure you are not so we are not really to comment. I totally agree that overseas aid should be cut. 1.1 million people were on disability benefits in 1992 in this country which has risen to 3.5 million in 2015 and will equate to 1 in 17 people in 2018. It was a gravy train that was abused. Don't know why you brought religion into the discussion either?
Yaya_Tony
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Maybe not self obsessed ones only out for themselves, who cut their teeth in the real world rather than sucking a silver spoon.Career politician cunts? What do you propose we don't have politicians?
They say I'm a dreamer...
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worsleyweb
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Not really men of the people, are they? If they were, a twenty quid b&b should be OK, considering finances are tight. Why would you want them 5 star apart from to illustrate how removed from the electorate they really are? The religion thing was an oversight on my part, apologies. When any politicians refer to thanking God, or using it as an excuse to bomb someone else, it's sickening. The simmering hatred from other parts of the world is understandable, "we" behave like cunts. "We" because many people don't think that way, the camerons of this world are not supported by anyone with half a brain
That doesn't merit a response. Sorry.
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blueinsa
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13 BILLION IS desperate stuff
13 Billion what?
I've shown you actual figures from the NAO, not some left wing paper as you put it.
Care to do the same and show me the savings this will make and the contributions those back in work will make?
Yaya_Tony
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Run out of clichéd responses? That's cool, but I did expect something decent from you man. Nevermind.That doesn't merit a response. Sorry.
Prestwich_Blue
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This thread is getting out of hand now. People are getting dangerously close to trolling in my opinion by making sensationalised claims they can't back up. I suggest everyone steps back from it before it goes any further.
purplenose
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Its not though is it. David Cameron and IDS are not cruel men. They are decent family men honestly trying to do their best for this country.
I don't get chance to see morning TV shows as I am work so I cant comment.
Cameron and IDS not cruel men....you really are having a laugh arent you? I am no lefty but to claim because these to cunts have children they are good respectable family men is complete nonsense. Along with Osborne these are greedy self serving lying evil men in it for themselves and their own. What they have done to the sick and disabled is a disgrace and I for one would by happy to see them at the end of a rope much like Saddam, and indeed the the nazis who were brought to book for targeting the sick and disabled amongst other things.
I have yet to see anyone post who has family or friends in the firing line with anything good to say about what they are doing, or anyone currently dependant on the health service that they are destroying whilst letting more people into the country to hurry its total collapse. Only those fortunate enough to be in good health both in themselves and financially seem to speak in favour of these men.
Frankly the Tories are a disgrace and whilst i can totally understand people voting for them on account of fearing the shambolic and farcical labour party after 6 years of this lot those who did vote for them need hang their heads in shame. Preach all you want about fraud, economy, and so on it wont alter the fact that voting Tory was is and will continue to be a vote for the outright persecution of the less fortunate who through no fault of their own cannot live the way these greedy arrogant people want them too.
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blueinsa
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This thread is getting out of hand now. People are getting dangerously close to trolling in my opinion by making sensationalised claims they can't back up. I suggest everyone steps back from it before it goes any further.
Far to quick to bail worsley out imo but I respect your decision ;-)
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worsleyweb
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13 Billion what?
I've shown you actual figures from the NAO, not some left wing paper as you put it.
Care to do the same and show me the savings this will make and the contributions those back in work will make?
£13 billion is what we spend on disability payments each year. We are trying to cut that. It has grown out of hand. As I have said it has grown from 1.1 million to 3.3 million claimants in 23 years and rising. The government said as part of its manifesto that it would encourage people to work rather than claim benefits. the government have stated that they were shocked at the levels of abuse of disability payments (first introduced by a Tory Government) and are seeking to move people off a life on benefits. One of the reasons is has grown is it was easier to be on long term disability than be unemployed as you can be on it for life, so far less hassle.
Several of my own family abused this system and I no longer speak to my aunt as I grassed her up for it and told her so before I did to give her the opportunity to get off her arse and work.
I would have thought the maths were quite simple that more people encouraged to work and contribute to society will have huge economic and social benefits rather than an increasing welfare state. You don't need data for that surely?
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worsleyweb
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Far to quick to bail worsley out imo but I respect your decision ;-)
trolling ? I hope that wasn't aimed at me - I am simply having a debate. There is no trolling from me whatsoever?
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worsleyweb
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This thread is getting out of hand now. People are getting dangerously close to trolling in my opinion by making sensationalised claims they can't back up. I suggest everyone steps back from it before it goes any further.
If that was aimed at me - what are the sensationalised claims?
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blueinsa
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trolling ? I hope that wasn't aimed at me - I am simply having a debate. There is no trolling from me whatsoever?
Neither from me mate and although we disagree here I've enjoyed the debate.
My post was very much tongue in cheek fella ;-)
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worsleyweb
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Neither from me mate and although we disagree here I've enjoyed the debate.
My post was very much tongue in cheek fella ;-)
Me to - It has been very civilised. Sad day when we cant even have a civil ding dong on here.
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blueinsa
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£13 billion is what we spend on disability payments each year. We are trying to cut that. It has grown out of hand. As I have said it has grown from 1.1 million to 3.3 million claimants in 23 years and rising. The government said as part of its manifesto that it would encourage people to work rather than claim benefits. the government have stated that they were shocked at the levels of abuse of disability payments (first introduced by a Tory Government) and are seeking to move people off a life on benefits. One of the reasons is has grown is it was easier to be on long term disability than be unemployed as you can be on it for life, so far less hassle.
Several of my own family abused this system and I no longer speak to my aunt as I grassed her up for it and told her so before I did to give her the opportunity to get off her arse and work.
I would have thought the maths were quite simple that more people encouraged to work and contribute to society will have huge economic and social benefits rather than an increasing welfare state. You don't need data for that surely?
My issue is a system involving private companies who are not interested in finding people meaningful jobs that give them a better quality of life and be able to contribute financially to society as a tax payer, I see a system where the sole aim is to cut benefits by hook or crook regardless of the impact on the individual and they are rewarded financially by doing so.
It only has one outcome as far as I'm concerned and the countless thousands of horror stories since it began show the concern is legitimate.
Why don't we demand the government cuts back on departmental Costs and mistakes that costs £Billions first and then demand the process of seeing those actually fit to work kept in house rather than farmed out, at huge cost?
I know id have more respect for the process and I'd guess many more would too
Prestwich_Blue
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Well keep it civilised and on topic, with any claims supported by evidence and that'll be fine with me.Me to - It has been very civilised. Sad day when we cant even have a civil ding dong on here.
r.soleofsalford
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yes this is the man who has just given Manchester 300 million housing funding. And what does this have to do with mobility?
According to figures quoted in aparliamentary report, there are major misconceptions among the general public about the scale of benefits fraud in particular. It says a 2013 survey found Britons believe almost a quarter, 24 per cent, of all benefits were claimed fraudulently, 34 times greater than the official 0.7 per cent estimate.
r.soleofsalford
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According to figures quoted in aparliamentary report, there are major misconceptions among the general public about the scale of benefits fraud in particular. It says a 2013 survey found Britons believe almost a quarter, 24 per cent, of all benefits were claimed fraudulently, 34 times greater than the official 0.7 per cent estimate.
Tax evasion and avoidance
According to official figures quoted by the BBC last year, in the 2012/2013 tax year the shortfall of tax that should have been collected by HMRC versus what it actually brought in had risen to £34bn. This eye-watering figure includes £14bn in uncollected income tax, national insurance and capital gains tax, and £12.4bn in uncollected VAT.
yerwot?
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IDS was ecstatic at the fact that all those under 25 were excluded,by far the largest group affected, plus all the other strings attached. Once again this govnt relying on semantics and their sponsors in the media turning a blind eyeWhat a load of rot! This is typical of the outright lies peddled by angry left wingers to spread their hatred of the government that has the task of sorting out the mess left by Labour. I watched the budget speech as it was broadcast, and IDS did indeed cheer and punch the air. This was when George Osborne announced the increase of the minimum wage, which was seen as a coup as it exceeded what Labour had ledged in their manifesto.
This forum is like a game of whackamole, another keeps popping up
The day IDS celebrates anything even slightly altruistic will never dawn, he is a lying bastard who should be nowhere near any position of power
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worsleyweb
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My issue is a system involving private companies who are not interested in finding people meaningful jobs that give them a better quality of life and be able to contribute financially to society as a tax payer, I see a system where the sole aim is to cut benefits by hook or crook regardless of the impact on the individual and they are rewarded financially by doing so.
It only has one outcome as far as I'm concerned and the countless thousands of horror stories since it began show the concern is legitimate.
Why don't we demand the government cuts back on departmental Costs and mistakes that costs £Billions first and then demand the process of seeing those actually fit to work kept in house rather than farmed out, at huge cost?
I know id have more respect for the process and I'd guess many more would too
you will be sad to hear my kkeyboardd is fukckked!