Motion - the country is completely broken

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The lack of anger is strange. If this was the 70s or early 80s people would be on the streets. The situation this country is in is absurd.

It’s probably linked to the distraction of the ‘stuff’ I referenced earlier.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

That is setting the bar a bit low.

My comment was in reply to another post who said Putin ‘has it right’ about the West being broken.

Okay then - I’d rather live in any liberal Western democracy over Russia, China or any other tin pot totalitarian regime.

The democratic west is flawed but we just are more advanced than other societies. I know this makes some people uncomfortable but it’s the truth.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Yes but you also have your charm and wit to fall back on. :-)

Good point. My charm, wit and niceness provides me with a virtuous circle of opportunity in life :-)

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

My comment was in reply to another post who said Putin ‘has it right’ about the West being broken.

Okay then - I’d rather live in any liberal Western democracy over Russia, China or any other tin pot totalitarian regime.

The democratic west is flawed but we just are more advanced than other societies. I know this makes some people uncomfortable but it’s the truth.

Agreed. But the quality of life here has declined drastically in the past 30 years and we have fallen behind many, perhaps most, other “Western nations” and we all seem to be accepting it.

 

[Phil1]

Good point. My charm, wit and niceness provides me with a virtuous circle of opportunity in life :-)

I was with you right up to the virtuous circle, my circle falls a bit short on that score! Haha!

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Agreed. But the quality of life here has declined drastically in the past 30 years and we have fallen behind many, perhaps most, other “Western nations” and we all seem to be accepting it.

You’re not wrong there but I would say 10 years, not 30.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You’re not wrong there but I would say 10 years, not 30.

I think it can be more accurately traced back to 2008, so approaching 15.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

Also rising levels of t-watty selfishness in the general populace- how long before the police / management of the Brixton Academy get the blame for the deaths and crushing, and not the herds of morons trying to jib in free?

 

[City Hobgoblin]

My comment was in reply to another post who said Putin ‘has it right’ about the West being broken.

Okay then - I’d rather live in any liberal Western democracy over Russia, China or any other tin pot totalitarian regime.

The democratic west is flawed but we just are more advanced than other societies. I know this makes some people uncomfortable but it’s the truth.

However, you can walk through central or even inner suburban Moscow at 2.30 am and feel 100% safe. Including if you're a lone female.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

However, you can walk through central or even inner suburban Moscow at 2.30 am and feel 100% safe. Including if you're a lone female.

Eh?

 

[hilts]

The lack of anger is strange. If this was the 70s or early 80s people would be on the streets. The situation this country is in is absurd.

People have mainly either given up or perversely like the bubble they live in and will not risk it to make society better. We have been heading this way for a long long time.

 

[Phil1]

However, you can walk through central or even inner suburban Moscow at 2.30 am and feel 100% safe. Including if you're a lone female.

What if you’ve called Putin a **** on social media? Still safe?

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I knew the NHS was fucked last year, a lad on the watch had what I thought was a suspected stroke, we drove him to A&E, we went in and and yes I expected to be treated a bit different because we were in uniform (don’t shoot me) however we had to wait over an hour to see someone, now strokes need to be treated immediately or that’s what we are told, for the drugs to take effect. I suspect if we had called for an ambulance the wait would’ve been a lot longer, thankfully he made a full recovery, but when you are waiting for stuff like this you look around the waiting room and think when the fuck will this end.

Terrible.

Here is my example from this year.

My mum who lived on her own had a fall. We paid £20 a month for carecall (a council run service) where at the press of a button, someone should come and help. They answered the call with “we haven’t got any staff on tonight so will call an ambulance”…..ambulance turns up 5 hrs later. She has been on the floor for that long! She is taken to hospital and I am now involved.

The A and E department was full and in the middle of the waiting area was a large pool of blood that hadn’t been cleaned. There must been 80 people waiting to be seen. She then had to wait on a trolley with around 20 other people on trolleys in a corridor for 6 more hours until she was seen, so by now it is 11 hours since the fall!

Finally she is seen and put in an observation ward overnight which is yards from the waiting area and she then had to listen to a fight going on in the middle of the night!

She had virtually no care all night and as she couldn’t walk, she couldn’t get to the bathroom. You can imagine. The next day she finally got on a ward and needed to stay in for a week. The doctor said that spending 5 hrs on the floor at that age (74) can be fatal.

She had a very similar experience a couple of months later. Slightly less waiting but not by much.

She died last month at home and 2 days before this she had another fall and as a result of previous experiences, declined to go to hospital. Despite our loss, I’m a comforted that this is the way she went as the thought of her dying on a trolley surrounded by people moaning and groaning is just a hideous one.

This country and the leadership is an absolute shambles currently and there doesn’t seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[hilts]

Terrible.

Here is my example from this year.

My mum who lived on her own had a fall. We paid £20 a month for carecall (a council run service) where at the press of a button, someone should come and help. They answered the call with “we haven’t got any staff on tonight so will call an ambulance”…..ambulance turns up 5 hrs later. She has been on the floor for that long! She is taken to hospital and I am now involved.

The A and E department was full and in the middle of the waiting area was a large pool of blood that hadn’t been cleaned. There must been 80 people waiting to be seen. She then had to wait on a trolley with around 20 other people on trolleys in a corridor for 6 more hours until she was seen, so by now it is 11 hours since the fall!

Finally she is seen and put in an observation ward overnight which is yards from the waiting area and she then had to listen to a fight going on in the middle of the night!

She had virtually no care all night and as she couldn’t walk, she couldn’t get to the bathroom. You can imagine. The next day she finally got on a ward and needed to stay in for a week. The doctor said that spending 5 hrs on the floor at that age (74) can be fatal.

She had a very similar experience a couple of months later. Slightly less waiting but not by much.

She died last month and 2 days before this she had another fall and as a result of previous experiences she declined to go to hospital. Thankfully despite our loss, I’m a comforted that this is the way she went as the thought of her dying on a trolley surrounded by people moaning and groaning is just a hideous one.

This country and the leadership is an absolute shambles currently and it’s getting worse.

I’m sorry for your loss fella, my mother had a similar experience but worryingly this was at least 5 years ago. There is no light at the end of the tunnel. People need to wake the fuck up.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Terrible.

Here is my example from this year.

My mum who lived on her own had a fall. We paid £20 a month for carecall (a council run service) where at the press of a button, someone should come and help. They answered the call with “we haven’t got any staff on tonight so will call an ambulance”…..ambulance turns up 5 hrs later. She has been on the floor for that long! She is taken to hospital and I am now involved.

The A and E department was full and in the middle of the waiting area was a large pool of blood that hadn’t been cleaned. There must been 80 people waiting to be seen. She then had to wait on a trolley with around 20 other people on trolleys in a corridor for 6 more hours until she was seen, so by now it is 11 hours since the fall!

Finally she is seen and put in an observation ward overnight which is yards from the waiting area and she then had to listen to a fight going on in the middle of the night!

She had virtually no care all night and as she couldn’t walk, she couldn’t get to the bathroom. You can imagine. The next day she finally got on a ward and needed to stay in for a week. The doctor said that spending 5 hrs on the floor at that age (74) can be fatal.

She had a very similar experience a couple of months later. Slightly less waiting but not by much.

She died last month at home and 2 days before this she had another fall and as a result of previous experiences, declined to go to hospital. Despite our loss, I’m a comforted that this is the way she went as the thought of her dying on a trolley surrounded by people moaning and groaning is just a hideous one.

This country and the leadership is an absolute shambles currently and there doesn’t seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel.

Reading this made me terribly sad and angry at the same time.

I'm so sorry for your loss.

 

[MillisleBlue]

Terrible.

Here is my example from this year.

My mum who lived on her own had a fall. We paid £20 a month for carecall (a council run service) where at the press of a button, someone should come and help. They answered the call with “we haven’t got any staff on tonight so will call an ambulance”…..ambulance turns up 5 hrs later. She has been on the floor for that long! She is taken to hospital and I am now involved.

The A and E department was full and in the middle of the waiting area was a large pool of blood that hadn’t been cleaned. There must been 80 people waiting to be seen. She then had to wait on a trolley with around 20 other people on trolleys in a corridor for 6 more hours until she was seen, so by now it is 11 hours since the fall!

Finally she is seen and put in an observation ward overnight which is yards from the waiting area and she then had to listen to a fight going on in the middle of the night!

She had virtually no care all night and as she couldn’t walk, she couldn’t get to the bathroom. You can imagine. The next day she finally got on a ward and needed to stay in for a week. The doctor said that spending 5 hrs on the floor at that age (74) can be fatal.

She had a very similar experience a couple of months later. Slightly less waiting but not by much.

She died last month at home and 2 days before this she had another fall and as a result of previous experiences, declined to go to hospital. Despite our loss, I’m a comforted that this is the way she went as the thought of her dying on a trolley surrounded by people moaning and groaning is just a hideous one.

This country and the leadership is an absolute shambles currently and there doesn’t seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel.

So sorry for your loss, mate. God love your dear mum.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Also rising levels of t-watty selfishness in the general populace- how long before the police / management of the Brixton Academy get the blame for the deaths and crushing, and not the herds of morons trying to jib in free?

Certainly the manufacturered society, both apathy and bratishness.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Terrible.

Here is my example from this year.

My mum who lived on her own had a fall. We paid £20 a month for carecall (a council run service) where at the press of a button, someone should come and help. They answered the call with “we haven’t got any staff on tonight so will call an ambulance”…..ambulance turns up 5 hrs later. She has been on the floor for that long! She is taken to hospital and I am now involved.

The A and E department was full and in the middle of the waiting area was a large pool of blood that hadn’t been cleaned. There must been 80 people waiting to be seen. She then had to wait on a trolley with around 20 other people on trolleys in a corridor for 6 more hours until she was seen, so by now it is 11 hours since the fall!

Finally she is seen and put in an observation ward overnight which is yards from the waiting area and she then had to listen to a fight going on in the middle of the night!

She had virtually no care all night and as she couldn’t walk, she couldn’t get to the bathroom. You can imagine. The next day she finally got on a ward and needed to stay in for a week. The doctor said that spending 5 hrs on the floor at that age (74) can be fatal.

She had a very similar experience a couple of months later. Slightly less waiting but not by much.

She died last month at home and 2 days before this she had another fall and as a result of previous experiences, declined to go to hospital. Despite our loss, I’m a comforted that this is the way she went as the thought of her dying on a trolley surrounded by people moaning and groaning is just a hideous one.

This country and the leadership is an absolute shambles currently and there doesn’t seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel.

So sorry pal it’s a disgrace

 

[HelloCity]

The lack of anger is strange. If this was the 70s or early 80s people would be on the streets. The situation this country is in is absurd.

The difference is that more people are brainwashed than ever into believing it’s acceptable or normal, and many of them ‘support’ the party which is causing us all this destruction. No sane or rational working class person could possibly vote conservative at the next election but millions will.

 

[hilts]

The difference is that more people are brainwashed than ever into believing it’s acceptable or normal, and many of them ‘support’ the party which is causing us all this destruction. No sane or rational working class person could possibly vote conservative at the next election but millions will.

This notion of brain washing needs to stop as its driving people down a rabbit hole, unless people accept the truth and stop deluding themselves that people can’t act in a destructive manner without being conned into doing so they will never get to the depressing truth.

A small percentage of people may well fall for a certain amount of propaganda but the majority are being told precisely what they want to hear. Their bias has long been set in stone. They don’t get moulded by dubious organisations seeking to turn them, they actively seek out views that have long been held close to their hearts.