NipHolmes said:
Ever club he has gone to he has left them in a mess when he leaves. Hes not good for our image, our youth set up or our prolonged success. Hope he goes to PSG tbh ...still I also don't think Mancini is the man either
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Mourhino is on his way to City.....
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Ever club he has gone to he has left them in a mess when he leaves. Hes not good for our image, our youth set up or our prolonged success. Hope he goes to PSG tbh ...still I also don't think Mancini is the man either
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Skashion said:He's never managed a team longer than a season that finished lower than 3rd (and that was Porto) in the league the season before he took over. That makes a big difference to win ratio stats.NipHolmes said:As I said, he has a 67% career win rate which tops Ferguson and Mancini by 10%+.
Season before at Porto - 3rd
Season before at Chelsea - 2nd and Champions League semi-finalists
Season before at Inter - 1st
Season before at Real Madrid - 2nd
Both Ferguson and Mancini have had to drag teams a lot further than Mourinho has. I'm not trying to do Mourinho down here. He's the manager most likely in the world to bring short-term success to a club, but you've got to factor in the fact that he's took over clubs in good positions to start with and never had to earn his stripes in the way that Ferguson and Mancini did. Billy is fond of quoting that Mancini is kissed by good fortune. Mourinho had a week-long orgy when you consider win ratio.
He has also had his success with the team he has inherited. I don't think he has ever signed a player that has made those teams better. Although I can't say I know much about the Porto team he had.
Personally,I like bobby,over the last few years he's brought me some of the best days in my life....however,Sheikh mansour,who as we know is deputy prime minister of the UAE,He is on the board of the Supreme petroleum council,also International petroleum investment company and the Abu Dhabi investment council...He owns major stakes in sky news Arabia,virgin galactic and privately owns ADUG,which in turn owns our club.....
This man loves being successful..END OF.....he won't settle for 2nd place,and who can blame him with the money he's pumping into the club....
This man loves being successful..END OF.....he won't settle for 2nd place,and who can blame him with the money he's pumping into the club....
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Skashion said:He's never managed a team longer than a season that finished lower than 3rd (and that was Porto) in the league the season before he took over. That makes a big difference to win ratio stats.NipHolmes said:As I said, he has a 67% career win rate which tops Ferguson and Mancini by 10%+.
Season before at Porto - 3rd
Season before at Chelsea - 2nd and Champions League semi-finalists
Season before at Inter - 1st
Season before at Real Madrid - 2nd
Both Ferguson and Mancini have had to drag teams a lot further than Mourinho has. I'm not trying to do Mourinho down here. He's the manager most likely in the world to bring short-term success to a club, but you've got to factor in the fact that he's took over clubs in good positions to start with and never had to earn his stripes in the way that Ferguson and Mancini did. Billy is fond of quoting that Mancini is kissed by good fortune. Mourinho had a week-long orgy when you consider win ratio.
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Skashion said:He's never managed a team longer than a season that finished lower than 3rd (and that was Porto) in the league the season before he took over. That makes a big difference to win ratio stats.NipHolmes said:As I said, he has a 67% career win rate which tops Ferguson and Mancini by 10%+.
Season before at Porto - 3rd
Season before at Chelsea - 2nd and Champions League semi-finalists
Season before at Inter - 1st
Season before at Real Madrid - 2nd
Both Ferguson and Mancini have had to drag teams a lot further than Mourinho has. I'm not trying to do Mourinho down here. He's the manager most likely in the world to bring short-term success to a club, but you've got to factor in the fact that he's took over clubs in good positions to start with and never had to earn his stripes in the way that Ferguson and Mancini did. Billy is fond of quoting that Mancini is kissed by good fortune. Mourinho had a week-long orgy when you consider win ratio.
Wonder why he's never fancied a club lower than 3rd with no money :)
The cookie monster said:Skashion said:He's never managed a team longer than a season that finished lower than 3rd (and that was Porto) in the league the season before he took over. That makes a big difference to win ratio stats.NipHolmes said:As I said, he has a 67% career win rate which tops Ferguson and Mancini by 10%+.
Season before at Porto - 3rd
Season before at Chelsea - 2nd and Champions League semi-finalists
Season before at Inter - 1st
Season before at Real Madrid - 2nd
Both Ferguson and Mancini have had to drag teams a lot further than Mourinho has. I'm not trying to do Mourinho down here. He's the manager most likely in the world to bring short-term success to a club, but you've got to factor in the fact that he's took over clubs in good positions to start with and never had to earn his stripes in the way that Ferguson and Mancini did. Billy is fond of quoting that Mancini is kissed by good fortune. Mourinho had a week-long orgy when you consider win ratio.
Wonder why he's never fancied a club lower than 3rd with no money :)
Because top managers have no reasons to take lesser jobs when they're still successful? Mourinho had his 'paying dues' job at U.D. Leiria with a 52% win rate (took them to their highest position ever - they are now in the Portuguese 3rd division), that got him the Porto job and he's never looked back since.
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schumey04 said:NipHolmes said:Ragnarok said:When mancini goes (I think he will,in the next two - three seasons) I would much rather klopp or avb than mourinho. I asked this to nipholmes because he acts like mourinho is the only good manager to ever exist
If you search my posts I champion 3 managers.
Jose, Klopp and Del Bosque.
Klopps settled it seems, Del Bosque has a great chance of winning the next world cup in Brazil and Jose is available, hence why I'm championing Jose.
As I said, he has a 67% career win rate which tops Ferguson and Mancini by 10%+.
Says it all. If we want to be the best, then we employ the best. From youth players, to coaches to doctors. Getting the worlds best manager of the current era would go some bloody way to making us top dogs.
If I was a United fan I'd be quaking in my boots imagining a soon to be better squad and a new manager in Jose to commence for the 13/14 season. Maybe Scholes will steady the ship and commit another season...
Ever club he has gone to he has left them in a mess when he leaves. Hes not good for our image, our youth set up or our prolonged success. Hope he goes to PSG tbh ...still I also don't think Mancini is the man either
What mess is this then? Or is it another myth, yes I think so.
Porto have continued to do well now. Chelsea finalled the CL after he left and nearly won the league. Still about now and their turbulence is down to owner and Terry. Inter have failed because no manager can do what Jose has done and Moratti has sold off players.
To say he leaves club in messes is a complete myth. He leaves them with a better rank in Europe and World football and with a 'fuller' traophy cabinet. Now if you said he left clubs and they went to the wall like Pompy or Leeds you'd have a point, but he does not.
In short, it's a load off bollocks.
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schumey04 said:Ever club he has gone to he has left them in a mess when he leaves. Hes not good for our image, our youth set up or our prolonged success. Hope he goes to PSG tbh ...still I also don't think Mancini is the man either
When he left both Porto and Inter, they were Champions of Europe so they weren't in a mess when he left.
Chelsea won numerous trophies after he left with the team he turned into winners at the core of their future successes.
If he leaves Madrid this summer, he will be leaving a squad that is probably still the strongest in Europe.
Our youth set-up won't be his responsibility.
Winning is rarely bad for a football team's image.
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LoveCity said:The cookie monster said:Skashion said:He's never managed a team longer than a season that finished lower than 3rd (and that was Porto) in the league the season before he took over. That makes a big difference to win ratio stats.
Season before at Porto - 3rd
Season before at Chelsea - 2nd and Champions League semi-finalists
Season before at Inter - 1st
Season before at Real Madrid - 2nd
Both Ferguson and Mancini have had to drag teams a lot further than Mourinho has. I'm not trying to do Mourinho down here. He's the manager most likely in the world to bring short-term success to a club, but you've got to factor in the fact that he's took over clubs in good positions to start with and never had to earn his stripes in the way that Ferguson and Mancini did. Billy is fond of quoting that Mancini is kissed by good fortune. Mourinho had a week-long orgy when you consider win ratio.
Wonder why he's never fancied a club lower than 3rd with no money :)
Because top managers have no reasons to take lesser jobs when they're still successful? Mourinho had his 'paying dues' job at U.D. Leiria with a 52% win rate (took them to their highest position ever - they are now in the Portuguese 3rd division), that got him the Porto job and he's never looked back since.
Saved me the post, I was just about to mention that he did that and was also in the right place at the right time really.
The fact of the matter is he's had high platforms and he's delivered.
It's like saying Messi isn't the best of all time or one of the best because he never played for a club outside of the top 4 for instance. Bollocks. Big players and big managers deliver at the highest stage, hence why they are employed by the elite.
Should Jose suddenly say, 'nah fuck it, fuck PSG, United, City and Chelsea, I must manage Newcastle and work my magic, all to prove some doubters wrong!' or should he just do as he does and win anoth league title or another european trophy.
People talk bollocks to make a point. It's plain sad!