Mourhino is on his way to City.....

[MSP]

So, he has 2 Champions League, domestic league trophies wherever he managed and he should take Swansea for ex. to prove himself and leave the comfort zone?

How about Messi joining Rayo Vallecano?

 

[Anonymous]

I can actually smell the unease and uncertainty coming off you ;-)

Me too! I'm just glad I don't need be in the majority to feel my opinion has some validity. :)

I knew that would flush you out
Anyway while your here,if you are saying the two spanish boys will run the show without the sheikh having any say so(which i very much doubt btw)

Do you think mourinho would be happy with that,where he would have to run everything past them two
Or would he crave total power?

Flush me out ? I've been off and on all day mate.

So you doubt that the two Spanish boys will run the show...why don't you explain why they won't then. Does Sheikh Mansour run all of his worldwide businesses and make all the relevant strategic and management decisions ? I highly highly doubt that mate. I suspect he gets involved when there is a crisis but replacing a football manager isn't a crisis. It's a strategic decision.

On the Mourinho thing ... he stated in his Barcelona job interview that he was totally prepared to work with Txiki and the existing management structure there ... I suspect if they get as far as a job interview at City he'll say the same thing.

 

[LoveCity]

Jose keeping an eye on the players at the Etihad today. ;)

 

[NipHolmes]

As I said, he has a 67% career win rate which tops Ferguson and Mancini by 10%+.

He's never managed a team longer than a season that finished lower than 3rd (and that was Porto) in the league the season before he took over. That makes a big difference to win ratio stats.

Season before at Porto - 3rd
Season before at Chelsea - 2nd and Champions League semi-finalists
Season before at Inter - 1st
Season before at Real Madrid - 2nd

Both Ferguson and Mancini have had to drag teams a lot further than Mourinho has. I'm not trying to do Mourinho down here. He's the manager most likely in the world to bring short-term success to a club, but you've got to factor in the fact that he's took over clubs in good positions to start with and never had to earn his stripes in the way that Ferguson and Mancini did. Billy is fond of quoting that Mancini is kissed by good fortune. Mourinho had a week-long orgy when you consider win ratio.

He has also had his success with the team he has inherited. I don't think he has ever signed a player that has made those teams better. Although I can't say I know much about the Porto team he had.

That's just plain bollocks and a lack of knowledge on your part.

 

[Skashion]

Because top managers have no reasons to take lesser jobs when they're still successful? Mourinho had his 'paying dues' job at U.D. Leiria with a 52% win rate (took them to their highest position ever - they are now in the Portuguese 3rd division), that got him the Porto job and he's never looked back since.

That's very disingenuous. He only took over in April with seven games of the season left when they finished 5th! They were at 7th when he arrived. He paid his dues by getting them two places higher? They were 4th the following season when he left.

 

[MSP]

Jose keeping an eye on the players at the Etihad today. ;)

lol, twitter for sure :)

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Wonder why he's never fancied a club lower than 3rd with no money :)

Because top managers have no reasons to take lesser jobs when they're still successful? Mourinho had his 'paying dues' job at U.D. Leiria with a 52% win rate (took them to their highest position ever - they are now in the Portuguese 3rd division), that got him the Porto job and he's never looked back since.

Saved me the post, I was just about to mention that he did that and was also in the right place at the right time really.

The fact of the matter is he's had high platforms and he's delivered.

It's like saying Messi isn't the best of all time or one of the best because he never played for a club outside of the top 4 for instance. Bollocks. Big players and big managers deliver at the highest stage, hence why they are employed by the elite.

Should Jose suddenly say, 'nah fuck it, fuck PSG, United, City and Chelsea, I must manage Newcastle and work my magic, all to prove some doubters wrong!' or should he just do as he does and win anoth league title or another european trophy.

People talk bollocks to make a point. It's plain sad!

Did you not see my smiley face nip
I'll still remember him for managing the shortest price favs in premier league history not to win the league..<br /><br />-- Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:42 pm --<br /><br />

Me too! I'm just glad I don't need be in the majority to feel my opinion has some validity. :)

I knew that would flush you out
Anyway while your here,if you are saying the two spanish boys will run the show without the sheikh having any say so(which i very much doubt btw)

Do you think mourinho would be happy with that,where he would have to run everything past them two
Or would he crave total power?

Flush me out ? I've been off and on all day mate.

So you doubt that the two Spanish boys will run the show...why don't you explain why they won't then. Does Sheikh Mansour run all of his worldwide businesses and make all the relevant strategic and management decisions ? I highly highly doubt that mate. I suspect he gets involved when there is a crisis but replacing a football manager isn't a crisis. It's a strategic decision.

On the Mourinho thing ... he stated in his Barcelona job interview that he was totally prepared to work with Txiki and the existing management structure there ... I suspect if they get as far as a job interview at City he'll say the same thing.

Tbh billy even dave agreed last week that the sheikh will probably have the last say.

 

[Skashion]

Saved me the post, I was just about to mention that he did that and was also in the right place at the right time really.

The fact of the matter is he's had high platforms and he's delivered.

It's like saying Messi isn't the best of all time or one of the best because he never played for a club outside of the top 4 for instance. Bollocks. Big players and big managers deliver at the highest stage, hence why they are employed by the elite.

Should Jose suddenly say, 'nah fuck it, fuck PSG, United, City and Chelsea, I must manage Newcastle and work my magic, all to prove some doubters wrong!' or should he just do as he does and win anoth league title or another european trophy.

People talk bollocks to make a point. It's plain sad!

It's you who's talking bollocks to make a point! You're using win ratio as if it's a fair comparison. OK Mourinho never had to manage a shit team. I certainly haven't criticised him for taking the top jobs, but at the same time you can't pretend comparing the win ratio of teams who had high win ratios before the manager arrived is the same as managing a team that didn't have as high a ratio. Surely we should be looking for value added i.e. what is the difference in win ratio between when they arrived and when they left.

Here's an interesting comparison, Mancini takes over Inter when they were in 4th place, manages a win ratio of 61.67%. Mourinho takes over them in 1st place and manages a win ratio of 62.04%. Scarcely any difference despite Mancini taking over when they hadn't won a title since 1989. I'm not even making the case that Mancini is the better manager but I'm willing to be fair and compare like for like. You're not doing. You're being a fucking fanboy right now and trying to make out like it's others are blaming Mourinho for not taking the tougher jobs when we're merely pointing out that if you take top jobs your win ratio will be better so it's not a fair comparison.

 

[LoveCity]

Because top managers have no reasons to take lesser jobs when they're still successful? Mourinho had his 'paying dues' job at U.D. Leiria with a 52% win rate (took them to their highest position ever - they are now in the Portuguese 3rd division), that got him the Porto job and he's never looked back since.

That's very disingenuous. He only took over in April with seven games of the season left when they finished 5th! They were at 7th when he arrived. He paid his dues by getting them two places higher? They were 4th the following season when he left.

He paid his dues alongside Bobby Robson and Louis van Gaal, and did enough in 30 games at U.D. Leira to convince one of Portugal's greatest clubs that he was something special. Should he have wallowed in mediocrity for a couple of seasons? He ascended the managerial ladder faster than most simply because he was that good, and soon became the greatest manager on the planet.

 

[OB1]

Me too! I'm just glad I don't need be in the majority to feel my opinion has some validity. :)

I knew that would flush you out
Anyway while your here,if you are saying the two spanish boys will run the show without the sheikh having any say so(which i very much doubt btw)

Do you think mourinho would be happy with that,where he would have to run everything past them two
Or would he crave total power?

Flush me out ? I've been off and on all day mate.

So you doubt that the two Spanish boys will run the show...why don't you explain why they won't then. Does Sheikh Mansour run all of his worldwide businesses and make all the relevant strategic and management decisions ? I highly highly doubt that mate. I suspect he gets involved when there is a crisis but replacing a football manager isn't a crisis. It's a strategic decision.

On the Mourinho thing ... he stated in his Barcelona job interview that he was totally prepared to work with Txiki and the existing management structure there ... I suspect if they get as far as a job interview at City he'll say the same thing.

I don't think City are quite the same as his other businesses; although I can't see him having the time for much involvement. I do think that he will want to have a say on who manages the team, like any other supporter that watches every game; the difference being that his say counts for more than any of ours. Whether he would go against the advice of his board of directors is something that none of us can be sure about. I would hope that he won't let the club cut off its nose to spite its face and reject Jose on the grounds that he has turned us down in the past. Just as I would hope that Txiki and Ferran would not reject Mourinho just because they did so at Barca.<br /><br />-- Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:52 pm --<br /><br />

Saved me the post, I was just about to mention that he did that and was also in the right place at the right time really.

The fact of the matter is he's had high platforms and he's delivered.

It's like saying Messi isn't the best of all time or one of the best because he never played for a club outside of the top 4 for instance. Bollocks. Big players and big managers deliver at the highest stage, hence why they are employed by the elite.

Should Jose suddenly say, 'nah fuck it, fuck PSG, United, City and Chelsea, I must manage Newcastle and work my magic, all to prove some doubters wrong!' or should he just do as he does and win anoth league title or another european trophy.

People talk bollocks to make a point. It's plain sad!

It's you who's talking bollocks to make a point! You're using win ratio as if it's a fair comparison. OK Mourinho never had to manage a shit team. I certainly haven't criticised him for taking the top jobs, but at the same time you can't pretend comparing the win ratio of teams who had high win ratios before the manager arrived is the same as managing a team that didn't have as high a ratio. Surely we should be looking for value added i.e. what is the difference in win ratio between when they arrived and when they left.

Here's an interesting comparison, Mancini takes over Inter when they were in 4th place, manages a win ratio of 61.67%. Mourinho takes over them in 1st place and manages a win ratio of 62.04%. Scarcely any difference despite Mancini taking over when they hadn't won a title since 1989. I'm not even making the case that Mancini is the better manager but I'm willing to be fair and compare like for like. You're not doing. You're being a fucking fanboy right now and trying to make out like it's others are blaming Mourinho for not taking the tougher jobs when we're merely pointing out that if you take top jobs your win ratio will be better so it's not a fair comparison.

Yes, but Jose won the treble with Inter, which counts as quite a value add.