Mourinho or Mancini

[lust overlord]

anyone who thinks mancini is a better manager than pep or mourinho are deluded.

i cant wait until one of them comes then we can actually perform well in europe instead of our pathetic displays so far and with our squad and a top manager wel be seven points ahead of the scum not the other way around. I appreciate what hes done but mancini will never bring us or anyone else to another level. this is the guy who monaco and russia wanted as a manager. do you think theyd even ask pep or mourinho?

Completely hypothetical. Also there's no way we'd know. Mourinho is doing a hell of a lot worse than last season in La Liga with a better team than he had last season; we're only doing slightly less well than last season with the same team.

Plus I don't think many, if any, are saying Mancini is a better...but many are saying they'd rather have Mancini. Mourinho isn't the sort of person we've ever had at City. The guy is an utter wanker.

To be honest I like Mourinho almost as much as I like Mancini.
Mourinho is a proven winner at several clubs as is Bob,unlike Guardiola,who has done the business at 1 club as of yet.

 

[moomba]

As for the image of the club if he came - every club is hated by some. e.g. Barcelona aren't fussed with their players constantly diving, wingeing etc. Also, Mourinho would raise the profile of the club.

Barcelona may not be fussed (I think that's wrong and they have made moves to improve on that front) but I am. I don't know if the whole Barcelona thing has got to Jose but I'd hate for us to be doing some of the things Madrid have done with Jose as the manager.

No amount of success is worth that, and no matter who the manager is that sort of stuff would never be acceptable to me at my club.

Just not cricket (or football).

 

[Deleted member 52846]

He has certainly improved us year upon year, up until this one.

As you say, the season isn't over, but so far we have regressed from last season. In the league, our style of play, and the CL.
No one expected us to win the CL, or even get out of our group, but our performances against Ajax were pitiful. They got 4 points...all from us.

The season isn't over yet, but the first half of this season has been underwhelming, and a backwards step from last season.

This season has been no more underwhelming than December to April (half the season) of last season. We've played with almost the same sort of style and quality. There's half of this season left for us to hit the heights we only reached in about ten of our first fifteen games and the last six games of last season. I don't see how we've regressed. Our points tally compared to the same games last season is only about four points different and that's only at the moment.

Indeed, it hasn't been anymore underwhelming than December to April. I thought we underperformed then too. I think we have underperformed most of this season.

The only time Mancini has got the most out of the players was April 2011 to December 2011.

Well if we haven't regressed we have stood still, while our rivals have progressed.

But now is the time to say whether we've regressed/stood still/progressed. The time when we see which if those we have done is after 38 games.

I have just had a look and compared last seasons results to this seasons; replacing our results against Bolton Blackburn and Wolves with our results against Reading Southampton and West Ham...and we are actually just two point worse off than the same results against corresponding teams last season. We could beat last seasons points tally and finish second or even first, and we could win the FA Cup yet - we could do a double - so let's hold fire on saying we've regressed or stood still.

 

[moomba]

But now is the time to say whether we've regressed/stood still/progressed. The time when we see which if those we have done is after 38 games.

I have just had a look and compared last seasons results to this seasons; replacing our results against Bolton Blackburn and Wolves with our results against Reading Southampton and West Ham...and we are actually just two point worse off than the same results against corresponding teams last season. We could beat last seasons points tally and finish second or even first, and we could win the FA Cup yet - we could do a double - so let's hold fire on saying we've regressed.

I think that's spot on. And if we beat Arsenal we'll actually be doing better than last season on like for like results. No problem with the club looking at options, I'm sure they would be doing that if we were 7 points ahead at the moment. But way too early to be making definitive statements that this year is a step backward.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

As for the image of the club if he came - every club is hated by some. e.g. Barcelona aren't fussed with their players constantly diving, wingeing etc. Also, Mourinho would raise the profile of the club.

Barcelona may not be fussed (I think that's wrong and they have made moves to improve on that front) but I am. I don't know if the whole Barcelona thing has got to Jose but I'd hate for us to be doing some of the things Madrid have done with Jose as the manager.

No amount of success is worth that, and no matter who the manager is that sort of stuff would never be acceptable to me at my club.

Just not cricket (or football).

That's the biggest thing for me. It's a trait Mancini has stayed well clear of; while the United manager with bacon skin and a whiskey soaked nose portrays stinking fucking traits year-on-year. Mourinho is the same sort of manager as Fergie. Just imagine what we'd all have to say about Fergie is he poked David Platt in the eye and then pretend he didn't do it - there'd be death threats posted through his Wilmslow front door.

Guardiola, Mancini, Klopp, Ancelotti, Hiidink, Bobby Robson, Brian Clough, Bob Paisley...have all showed you don't have to be a complete cünt to succeed in football.

I don't want a cünt in charge of my club.

 

[dancity19]

This season has been no more underwhelming than December to April (half the season) of last season. We've played with almost the same sort of style and quality. There's half of this season left for us to hit the heights we only reached in about ten of our first fifteen games and the last six games of last season. I don't see how we've regressed. Our points tally compared to the same games last season is only about four points different and that's only at the moment.

Indeed, it hasn't been anymore underwhelming than December to April. I thought we underperformed then too. I think we have underperformed most of this season.

The only time Mancini has got the most out of the players was April 2011 to December 2011.

Well if we haven't regressed we have stood still, while our rivals have progressed.

But now is the time to say whether we've regressed/stood still/progressed. The time when we see which if those we have done is after 38 games.

I have just had a look and compared last seasons results to this seasons; replacing our results against Bolton Blackburn and Wolves with our results against Reading Southampton and West Ham...and we are actually just two point worse off than the same results against corresponding teams last season. We could beat last seasons points tally and finish second or even first, and we could win the FA Cup yet - we could do a double - so let's hold fire on saying we've regressed or stood still.

I know. If you look what I've said across the last few pages I have said we wait until the end of the season. Things can change. In my opinion, at the moment we have regressed compared to last season, or at least the start and finish of last season.

But nothing in terms of manager is going to change now anyway, so we will wait and see what happens. A lot needs to be done though between now and the end of the season if we are going to seriously challenge.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

But now is the time to say whether we've regressed/stood still/progressed. The time when we see which if those we have done is after 38 games.

I have just had a look and compared last seasons results to this seasons; replacing our results against Bolton Blackburn and Wolves with our results against Reading Southampton and West Ham...and we are actually just two point worse off than the same results against corresponding teams last season. We could beat last seasons points tally and finish second or even first, and we could win the FA Cup yet - we could do a double - so let's hold fire on saying we've regressed.

I think that's spot on. And if we beat Arsenal we'll actually be doing better than last season on like for like results. No problem with the club looking at options, I'm sure they would be doing that if we were 7 points ahead at the moment. But way too early to be making definitive statements that this year is a step backward.

The evidence before my eyes most weeks tells me that we have taken a step backwards since last season. Obviously we may start playing wonderfully well any day now but the reality is that so far we have played pretty poorly relative to the quality of players we have this season. There are so few players performing to anywhere near their potential that it is frightening. Personally I think we have been getting by on the gritty determination of the players, which is fine every now and then, but I look at our team and think that maybe we should actually expect to play well more often than not.

 

[OB1]

I'd go for Mourinho.

A success at every club he's been at. As for the image of the club if he came - every club is hated by some. e.g. Barcelona aren't fussed with their players constantly diving, wingeing etc. Also, Mourinho would raise the profile of the club.

Pep is Barca through and through. Knows the players, the system, the philosophy. He's had Messi, Xavi, Iniesta playing for him. Some of this signings have been questionable too.

Mourinho has Tranny, Alonso, Ozil, Di Maria, Ramos, Casillas, Benzema etc and has made some duff signings too.

 

[moomba]

The evidence before my eyes most weeks tells me that we have taken a step backwards since last season. Obviously we may start playing wonderfully well any day now but the reality is that so far we have played pretty poorly relative to the quality of players we have this season. There are so few players performing to anywhere near their potential that it is frightening. Personally I think we have been getting by on the gritty determination of the players, which is fine every now and then, but I look at our team and think that maybe we should actually expect to play well more often than not.

Everyone sees what they want to see I guess.

I don't think we've played as well as last season although the difference isn't as big as some make out. Last year was a pretty high standard to live up to, if we can match our results we'll win the league again IMO.

Won't be easy and if I had to bet my house I'd say it won't happen. It will need improvement not just from the manager who seems to cop the brunt of all criticism but the players that aren't performing to their standards as well.

 

[BobKowalski]

The evidence before my eyes most weeks tells me that we have taken a step backwards since last season. Obviously we may start playing wonderfully well any day now but the reality is that so far we have played pretty poorly relative to the quality of players we have this season. There are so few players performing to anywhere near their potential that it is frightening. Personally I think we have been getting by on the gritty determination of the players, which is fine every now and then, but I look at our team and think that maybe we should actually expect to play well more often than not.

Everyone sees what they want to see I guess.

I don't think we've played as well as last season although the difference isn't as big as some make out. Last year was a pretty high standard to live up to, if we can match our results we'll win the league again IMO.

Won't be easy and if I had to bet my house I'd say it won't happen. It will need improvement not just from the manager who seems to cop the brunt of all criticism but the players that aren't performing to their standards as well.

I think its fair to say there has been a 5%-10% drop off in our performances on average from last season and we totally stuffed up the CL whereas in the previous season we are were a bit unlucky.

On the bright side we do seem to getting back to a higher and more consistent level of performance although losing Sergio may knock us back a bit.

If I had to stick my neck out I don't think we will win the PL this year either...it will be close just not close enough