Mourinho or Mancini

[bernabias home shirt]

You could ask me a hundred times ... no offence but I still wouldn't give the question the time of day. You set your stall out perfectly in this post:



There's nothing else which needs to be said.

Cheers,didnt think you would as it would be pretty hard
like i said 13 points behind and getting booed off

And sjk at the moment its a toughie
Come back to me in may :)

It's not a toughie though, is it?

Mancini is a league below Mourinho.

Just because Mourinho will only have managed to see off the greatest club side of all time just once in three years, by setting a goalscoring record in the process, doesn't mean he should be labelled a failure.

That Madrid hotseat is arguably as comical as the Chelsea one. And, as many have alluded to already in this thread, the fact that the likes of Casillas & Ramos care more about themselves and 'Spain' than what Mourinho is trying to do with Madrid says an awful lot.

It's one thing to say he's a horrible ****. Each to their own and all that. But to put Mancini on the same pedestal is, IMO, ridiculous, and that's even if Mancini lifts another Premiership title in May.

But he pissed all over barca last year
Now with a stronger side he is further away than ever
Whats gone wrong thats all i asked
But aparently it cant be asked on here as jose is god..

 

[NipHolmes]

You could ask me a hundred times ... no offence but I still wouldn't give the question the time of day. You set your stall out perfectly in this post:



There's nothing else which needs to be said.

Cheers,didnt think you would as it would be pretty hard
like i said 13 points behind and getting booed off

And sjk at the moment its a toughie
Come back to me in may :)

It's not a toughie though, is it?

Mancini is a league below Mourinho.

Just because Mourinho will only have managed to see off the greatest club side of all time just once in three years, by setting a goalscoring record in the process, doesn't mean he should be labelled a failure.

That Madrid hotseat is arguably as comical as the Chelsea one. And, as many have alluded to already in this thread, the fact that the likes of Casillas & Ramos care more about themselves and 'Spain' than what Mourinho is trying to do with Madrid says an awful lot.

It's one thing to say he's a horrible ****. Each to their own and all that. But to put Mancini on the same pedestal is, IMO, ridiculous, and that's even if Mancini lifts another Premiership title in May.

I do think Mancini is trying so hard with Balo just to settle that, he can manage an 'unmanagable player' to settle that.

As I have said which you pick up on, he is being undermined by the players, they're at fault and they sold him out last season and doing worse this season. He dropped Ramos to play Varane v us and last season Ramos and Iker went to the press about him. We chastise 'leaks' and finger point at those who criticise Mancini to the press yet the Real players mentioned did exactly that.

Jose is fighting the players, the press and teh fans blinded by the headlines. In reality he needs to go to a press conference with a list of facts like Benitez and set the record straight. Label games won, label points accumulated, goals scored, the fact they went out on pens in the semis to Bayern last year and the fact they broke Barca dominance. The fact he's trying to do the best for Real and that certain players aren't pulling in the same direction.

Tell all and let it stew. If he goes then Barca will dominate, if he continues they must rid the rot in the team and build on. IMO Jose is a goner, Real will do a Chelsea like they have so many times.

Real are fucked if they concede to player power because they all need to be fighting as one instead of factions against ano another. Barca are a challenge when you're on your game let alone when you're at civil war.

 

[moomba]

If Jose can't get along with his players for the good of the team,he has got to accept some of the blame for that surely?
I seem to remember people having a go at Mancini when he falls with his players,and giving that as a reason for change.
Seems a bit like double standards.
Mourinho and players don't get on team loses=players fault
Mancini and players don't get on team loses = Mancini not good enough.

Bingo

I think when people claim that Mancini and his players dont get on is because of the odd instance of him specifically criticising his players in public, something which Mourinho doesn't do.

Of course, I could be wrong, though.

He gave them a proper slagging just before we played them.

 

[SWP's back]

Seems a bit like double standards.
Mourinho and players don't get on team loses=players fault
Mancini and players don't get on team loses = Mancini not good enough.

Exactly.

 

[NipHolmes]

So why he is unable to motivate his players this season
The most expensive side assembled anywhere and he is a distance behind

Because he doesn't get on with Captain or Captains friends. Iker is presidents man and can do no wrong. He squared up to Jose before apparently. Let's have it right, Iker didn't even celebrate Ronaldos winner over us I believe, now is that an action of a good captain.

It's ironic that the driving force to his demise is a clubs captain, its Chelsea mk2.

The way he does his best to muddle Barca is the problem, he turned El Clasico into an hate game and Iker and other Spaniards don't like it as they're close following the National Team campaigns.

Real team should look at last season and Jose past and realise they need to play for him and do as he says. Otherwise Barca will dominate and there's absolutely no doubt about that. Whilst Messi has a pulse they're always going to struggle.

If Jose can't get along with his players for the good of the team,he has got to accept some of the blame for that surely?
I seem to remember people having a go at Mancini when he falls with his players,and giving that as a reason for change.
Seems a bit like double standards.
Mourinho and players don't get on team loses=players fault
Mancini and players don't get on team loses = Mancini not good enough.

You're correct but only when you analyse the whole situation.

AVB lost his job because he lost the dressing room, Chelsea have got rid Anelka, Drogba, Kalou and are getting rid of Cole and Lampard which AVB wanted to do. He was harshly sacked.

Jose won the league and was undermined by players, if I was board I'd fuck the players off but with Jose 'form' for leaving and his repeated 'Im going to England' remarks then they'll side with players. He will be sacked, not rightly but a manager costs less to replace than 2 players+.

Mancini won the league and had the Tevez debacle which was a major sideline, he did a good job and deserves at least this season to be seen out. He shoudln't be sacked but when you weigh up his failings in Europe (last year was a hurt whereas this year is just the Ajax games and not seeing the Real game out). He would be harshly sacked if he went now but if he went end of season with no silverware then fair enough imho. Last season when we were champs every City fan would've been goosebumpy and hoped for building on what we have which is an excellent squad against a out of sorts but scoring United. I know I did anyway. At the start of teh season I said retain title is a must and to qualify for Europe. We failed Europe and if we fail title I'll be gutted so I can see no reason why the board wouldn't be the same, especially with Pep available!

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Cheers,didnt think you would as it would be pretty hard
like i said 13 points behind and getting booed off

And sjk at the moment its a toughie
Come back to me in may :)

It's not a toughie though, is it?

Mancini is a league below Mourinho.

Just because Mourinho will only have managed to see off the greatest club side of all time just once in three years, by setting a goalscoring record in the process, doesn't mean he should be labelled a failure.

That Madrid hotseat is arguably as comical as the Chelsea one. And, as many have alluded to already in this thread, the fact that the likes of Casillas & Ramos care more about themselves and 'Spain' than what Mourinho is trying to do with Madrid says an awful lot.

It's one thing to say he's a horrible ****. Each to their own and all that. But to put Mancini on the same pedestal is, IMO, ridiculous, and that's even if Mancini lifts another Premiership title in May.

But he pissed all over barca last year
Now with a stronger side he is further away than ever
Whats gone wrong thats all i asked
But aparently it cant be asked on here as jose is god..

Of course it can be questioned.

His team aren't performing to the incredibly high standards he set last year, in the same way Bobby's team aren't.

The difference between the two though (aside from the obvious pts gaps), is that the team currently 6pts above City aren't even close, ability-wise) to the team that's clear of Barcelona.

Barcelona, this season, have made the best ever start to a domestic season. They've dropped just 2pts all season. Whilst Atletico have made an electric start themselves and Madrid haven't been as clinical as they were last year, I put the gap between them and the top down to just how good Barca have been. Fucking hell, they destroyed Atletico 4-1 last night.

At the end of the season, Madrid will finish 2nd, and probably clear of Atletico. Certainly not hitting the heights of last season, but then again, that'd be a hard task in itself anyway, they way they performed.

 

[NipHolmes]

Seems a bit like double standards.
Mourinho and players don't get on team loses=players fault
Mancini and players don't get on team loses = Mancini not good enough.

Exactly.

I've already destroyed this.

We are moaning about a leak and yet Real have proven leaks.

It comes to something when a captain doesn't celebrate a winning fucking goal doesn't it?

Or are you gonna try and twist this to fit?

 

[SWP's back]

Seems a bit like double standards.
Mourinho and players don't get on team loses=players fault
Mancini and players don't get on team loses = Mancini not good enough.

Exactly.

I've already destroyed this.

We are moaning about a leak and yet Real have proven leaks.

It comes to something when a captain doesn't celebrate a winning fucking goal doesn't it?

Or are you gonna try and twist this to fit?

You destroyed nothing, you basically repeated yourself and I can do the same:

Mourinho and players don't get on team loses=players fault
Mancini and players don't get on team loses = Mancini not good enough

 

[lust overlord]

Cheers,didnt think you would as it would be pretty hard
like i said 13 points behind and getting booed off

And sjk at the moment its a toughie
Come back to me in may :)

It's not a toughie though, is it?

Mancini is a league below Mourinho.

Just because Mourinho will only have managed to see off the greatest club side of all time just once in three years, by setting a goalscoring record in the process, doesn't mean he should be labelled a failure.

That Madrid hotseat is arguably as comical as the Chelsea one. And, as many have alluded to already in this thread, the fact that the likes of Casillas & Ramos care more about themselves and 'Spain' than what Mourinho is trying to do with Madrid says an awful lot.

It's one thing to say he's a horrible ****. Each to their own and all that. But to put Mancini on the same pedestal is, IMO, ridiculous, and that's even if Mancini lifts another Premiership title in May.

I do think Mancini is trying so hard with Balo just to settle that, he can manage an 'unmanagable player' to settle that.

As I have said which you pick up on, he is being undermined by the players, they're at fault and they sold him out last season and doing worse this season. He dropped Ramos to play Varane v us and last season Ramos and Iker went to the press about him. We chastise 'leaks' and finger point at those who criticise Mancini to the press yet the Real players mentioned did exactly that.

Jose is fighting the players, the press and teh fans blinded by the headlines. In reality he needs to go to a press conference with a list of facts like Benitez and set the record straight. Label games won, label points accumulated, goals scored, the fact they went out on pens in the semis to Bayern last year and the fact they broke Barca dominance. The fact he's trying to do the best for Real and that certain players aren't pulling in the same direction.

Tell all and let it stew. If he goes then Barca will dominate, if he continues they must rid the rot in the team and build on. IMO Jose is a goner, Real will do a Chelsea like they have so many times.

Real are fucked if they concede to player power because they all need to be fighting as one instead of factions against ano another. Barca are a challenge when you're on your game let alone when you're at civil war.

So its everyones fault except Jose then.
Sorry not having a go at you.For what its worth Jose in my opinion is the better manager based on his record thus far.
He isn't infallible though.Mancini, in my opinion is still improving as a manager and deserves some slack.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Exactly.

I've already destroyed this.

We are moaning about a leak and yet Real have proven leaks.

It comes to something when a captain doesn't celebrate a winning fucking goal doesn't it?

Or are you gonna try and twist this to fit?

You destroyed nothing, you basically repeated yourself and I can do the same:

Mourinho and players don't get on team loses=players fault
Mancini and players don't get on team loses = Mancini not good enough

It really is as simple as this