Mr Bates vs the Post Office

[bluethrunthru]

Post Office lied and threatened BBC over Horizon whistleblower

The firm smeared postmasters in a failed bid to suppress evidence of their innocence, the BBC reveals.

www.bbc.co.uk

sad fact is thats barely news now - 2 weeks in and the state of what happened is no longer a shock to anyone

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Most people don't employ politics as a hobby in this country or any other, you're right though most people are too busy going through their own days and haven't got the time to fight causes for everyone else or even register the problems everyone else has.

The nuances of politics today are slanted by ideologues and world narratives.

Do you think if people were more socially aware "woke" if you like, then the daily grind might be improved?

Rather than watching shite like love island (with product placement of luxury bottled water and plastic surgery adverts).

Not really a left or right thing.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

I think he makes a valid point and I don’t read any snobbery in it. The fact is that it did take a tv drama to cause this issue to be treated properly. The panorama documentary was 2 years ago, the convictions being quashed by the court of appeal was several years ago, lots of this had been in the public domain for donkeys years, but it was last weeks itv drama that has had by far the overwhelming effect

I think in the defence of the public, most ordinary folk would probably expect the levers of justice to just sort of… work… when this stuff gets raised.

When I first heard about this quite a few years ago now, my immediate reaction was “well that sounds like it’s going to turn into an inquiry”. I didn’t for a second assume that the subpostmasters would be blocked, resisted and delayed for years. Naively you just expect governments and people in positions of trust to do the right thing without needing to be coerced. You think “surely it’s somebody’s job out there to sort this out”.

Because when it comes down to it, why does the public need to be involved at all? This is a problem relating to corporate governance and the legal system which is hundreds of years old. People expect checks and balances to be in place. It’s only when the lack thereof has been made incredibly apparent that the court of public opinion has now weighed in.

 

[remember arthur mann]

watched this all this afternoon - as an investigator of a different industry when I was working I was amazed that Bradshaw had not better prepared himself and then how long it took him to realise how deep the hole he was in but still kept digging

He's probably just the sacrificial lamb.

 

[Blue Mist]

Perhaps I'm a cynic but have we just bombed the Yemen to move the news coverage away from liars, bastards and corrupt officials ?

 

[BringBackSwales]

I think in the defence of the public, most ordinary folk would probably expect the levers of justice to just sort of… work… when this stuff gets raised.

When I first heard about this quite a few years ago now, my immediate reaction was “well that sounds like it’s going to turn into an inquiry”. I didn’t for a second assume that the subpostmasters would be blocked, resisted and delayed for years. Naively you just expect governments and people in positions of trust to do the right thing without needing to be coerced. You think “surely it’s somebody’s job out there to sort this out”.

Because when it comes down to it, why does the public need to be involved at all? This is a problem relating to corporate governance and the legal system which is hundreds of years old. People expect checks and balances to be in place. It’s only when the lack thereof has been made incredibly apparent that the court of public opinion has now weighed in.

Complete agree, I was merely responding to the comments made to the poster calling him a snob. It is indeed the appropriate authorities that need to be brought to account here - just what the fuck were the governments of Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak doing about this - well I guess we can forgive Truss given the length of her tenure. Sunak is a **** - he does fuck all about it until acts drama makes the general public (aka the electorate) angry and then he acts like a fucking hero. I think that’s the point the poster who was called a snob was making, that it took a much watched tv drama to get politicians to do something, and that’s absolutely right. I would exclude Lord Arbuthnot from this as he did plenty, fair fuck to that man

 

[bluethrunthru]

lol

 

[BringBackSwales]

Sunak has blood on his hands here. I cannot remember him ever mentioning this case at any time, yet within a day of this tv drama airing he is making serious comments about it. Due diligence would mean that prime ministers wouldn’t make commitments on the basis of a tv drama so I would suggest he knew all about this and it was the drama that caused him to do something . He (and his predecessors ) didn’t act based on the Panorama drama, or the court of appeal findings, or the public enquiry, or James Arbuthnot’s findings, etc, he reacted to a tv drama and him and his predecessors are utter cunts for not having sorted this YEARS ago

 

[bluethrunthru]

These organisations are a cartel of fraudsters aren't they? These fucking clowns don't seem to realise that these days so much info is available to the public and the shit will land on their doorstep

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Complete agree, I was merely responding to the comments made to the poster calling him a snob. It is indeed the appropriate authorities that need to be brought to account here - just what the fuck were the governments of Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak doing about this - well I guess we can forgive Truss given the length of her tenure. Sunak is a **** - he does fuck all about it until acts drama makes the general public (aka the electorate) angry and then he acts like a fucking hero. I think that’s the point the poster who was called a snob was making, that it took a much watched tv drama to get politicians to do something, and that’s absolutely right. I would exclude Lord Arbuthnot from this as he did plenty, fair fuck to that man

Yes apologies, I should have made it clear while I replied to your comment I wasn’t critiquing your perspective, I actually agree with it. Was more just chiming in on the general discussion around the publics role in the story. I agree it has taken a documentary and mass public anger to get things done on this occasion. I’m just saying people should not derive from that the idea that the problem here was the public weren’t angry or aware enough sooner.