Mr Bates vs the Post Office

meltonblue said:
Those that went to prison wouldn’t still be classed as unspent convictions I don’t think, it’s normally up to about seven years post the sentence. Agree with the point though.
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Obviously it's a grey area that's often overlooked, to the peril of some. Mostly rendering insurance invalid if a claim need be made.
Interestingly there's a disparity in the time frame insurance companies see as 'spent' and the official, legal requirement of 'spent'.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
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its been 2 and a half years since I retired so a bit out of practise but just remembered any statement, any declaration, loan application etc - when you sign it that takes place under the section which says stuff along the lines of " I the undersigned confirm I have read and understand this statement to be the truth" - then you sign it and print your name. Why would a senior investigator do what he did ffs
 
bluethrunthru said:
its been 2 and a half years since I retired so a bit out of practise but just remembered any statement, any declaration, loan application etc - when you sign it that takes place under the section which says stuff along the lines of " I the undersigned confirm I have read and understand this statement to be the truth" - then you sign it and print your name. Why would a senior investigator do what he did ffs
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Correct!

I've not been retired long, and I do know that an official Witness Statement should be your statement that you have made and signed.

You have to be fully aware and have a good knowledge of it's content.

A major mistake this.

So pleased the bully boy is feeling the pressure!
 
Contrary to legal advice presented above,
the CPS now admit they were involved in 99 sub postmaster prosecutions - 11 of which were under Kier Starmer's tenure as Head of the CPS.
Also that the evidence for 2/3's of the case files had since been lost or destroyed!
What a surprise. Normally code for we knew the evidence was dodgy so got shot of it so the buck couldn't return to hurt us too badly.
 
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Pam said:
Just to be shallow for a minute, is this going to entertain if I watch it. I'm in the mood for drama, not docu-drama. If anyone gets what I mean. Is is is a good watch just on it's face.
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As I said before it's all compulsive viewing. But I would start with the car crash that is Andrew Winn. He's a hopelessly over promoted ex postie. He is central to the cover up and some of the documents you will see will make your blood boil.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=andrew+winn
 
The government seems very keen on recovering most if not all of the compensation money from Fujitsu. It will be interesting to know how the PO:
- Set up and deliver user acceptance testing (UAT) [their responsibility not Futisu's] The clue is in the term user.
- How the PO decided to accept a system with such a huge live snag list into a trial rollout.
- How the subsequent trial rollout was deemed to be a success when it clearly wasn't.
- How the system could then be extended to every PO in the land with a snag list pretty much unchanged by the trial.

Further it will be interesting to know how Fujitsu can be blamed for the cover up. Yes they provided key witness statements but - I suspect these were requested with valed threats about the "future relationship" between the PO and Fujitsu.

I strongly suspect The Royal Mail executive (owners of the PO till 2012) had a lot to do with strong arming the PO into early delivery due to project cost overruns. I suspect they have a lot to answer for - more so than either Fujitsu or the PO.
 
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i am intigued as to what caused ITV to break ranks from the normally solid cabal that is the MSM who have been MIA in all the other cover-ups. First rock in the landslide ? Not holding my breath, too often, worse things have been uncovered and smothered by diversions and "plausible" denials, legalese semantics and then silence.
 
1974Blue said:
Didn't Pol go after post masters who signed contracts that they did not understand. Didn't Pol go after fictional debts as post masters had signed accounting records that they knew to be incorrect. Didn't Pol go after post masters who altered accounting records through fear and signed them.
It was tough shit when you were putting the fear of god in them during interviews, so guess what you scouse twat. What goes around.
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watched this all this afternoon - as an investigator of a different industry when I was working I was amazed that Bradshaw had not better prepared himself and then how long it took him to realise how deep the hole he was in but still kept digging
 
1974Blue said:
Didn't Pol go after post masters who signed contracts that they did not understand. Didn't Pol go after fictional debts as post masters had signed accounting records that they knew to be incorrect. Didn't Pol go after post masters who altered accounting records through fear and signed them.
It was tough shit when you were putting the fear of god in them during interviews, so guess what you scouse twat. What goes around.
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I agree. What these fuckers go through on the stand pales in significance to the harrowing tales of personal devastation and humiliation that's come to light.
The potential travesty of this case has been in the public domain for some time... although nothing, other than a TV drama, will ever portray it's emotional context so devastatingly.
bluethrunthru said:
watched this all this afternoon - as an investigator of a different industry when I was working I was amazed that Bradshaw had not better prepared himself and then how long it took him to realise how deep the hole he was in but still kept digging
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Borderline narcissist, on first viewing.
 
bluethrunthru said:
watched this all this afternoon - as an investigator of a different industry when I was working I was amazed that Bradshaw had not better prepared himself and then how long it took him to realise how deep the hole he was in but still kept digging
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If I had been investigated by a Scouser, I would have insisted on a translator being present.
 
Rory Bluelow said:
I've not watched the ITV drama/doc at all. There an hour long documentary on BBC iplayer which gives the story and interviews the people involved. There's also a Panorama investigation from quite a few years ago that's on YouTube that's worth a watch. This has been grinding on for a few years, but fair play to ITV - their series has put a bomb under it and brought the scandal to the (now outraged) Great British public.
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There is 3 Panaroma specials (2015,2020 and 2022) I think their all available.
The journalist Nick Wallace is behind them all, he has a website and a book that is well worth a look.

www.postofficescandal.uk

About

Hello, my name is Nick Wallis. I am a freelance journalist. This website is designed to be a hub for my activity reporting the Post Office Horizon Scandal. Most of the work I have done on this stor…
www.postofficescandal.uk www.postofficescandal.uk
 
blueste41 said:
There is 3 Panaroma specials (2015,2020 and 2022) I think their all available.
The journalist Nick Wallace is behind them all, he has a website and a book that is well worth a look.

www.postofficescandal.uk

About

Hello, my name is Nick Wallis. I am a freelance journalist. This website is designed to be a hub for my activity reporting the Post Office Horizon Scandal. Most of the work I have done on this stor…
www.postofficescandal.uk www.postofficescandal.uk
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John Sweeney presented one in 2015 (for some daft idea he rides between locations on an on old postie's moped).
 
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