mufc evictions

[JM Mcr]

While the disaster was obviously a big factor in getting them their nationwide 'support' I don't remember the club itself milking it till the late 80's/early 90's when they did seem to start using it quite shamelessly as a promotional and marketing tool, I remember seeing a couple of pieces of merchandise a rag supporting mate of mine had and thinking "hang on that's a bit tasteless to make money out of a disaster."

As big a factor as 5 league titles, 3 FA cup finals (winning once) and becoming the first ever English side to lift the European cup in a 15 year spell?
I agree with your point about the commercialisation of the tragedy being a relatively recent thing tho..

I'd say a 10 year spell as for 5 of those years no English clubs competed in it.

??? One of us has misunderstood the other's post..... I'm not sure what you mean but I meant I believe a 15 year spell (1951/52 - 1967/68 - actually 16 years, my mistake) when Utd won 5 league titles, an FA cup (plus losing 2 finals) and became the first ever english side to lift the european cup had a major bearing on the support gained throughout the country.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

As big a factor as 5 league titles, 3 FA cup finals (winning once) and becoming the first ever English side to lift the European cup in a 15 year spell?
I agree with your point about the commercialisation of the tragedy being a relatively recent thing tho..

I'd say a 10 year spell as for 5 of those years no English clubs competed in it.

??? One of us has misunderstood the other's post..... I'm not sure what you mean but I meant I believe a 15 year spell (1951/52 - 1967/68 - actually 16 years, my mistake) when Utd won 5 league titles, an FA cup (plus losing 2 finals) and became the first ever english side to lift the european cup had a major bearing on the support gained throughout the country.

Apologies - another case of me not reading the post correctly or posting when pissed.
Thought you were saying first English club to win it in 15 years - (Liverpool in 84 and Stretford 99) - I was saying that for 5 of those years English clubs were banned!

 

[CheethamHillBlue]

I agree with your point about the commercialisation of the tragedy being a relatively recent thing tho..

So you'll also agree you support a tw*t of a club considering they DID make Billions of Pounds and Millions of fans over the years on the commercialisation of a tragedy?
Relatively recently? 1998 ish?

You must be so proud of your club.

yawn....

Don't worry Mr raggy ar5e. I for one never get tired of highlighting what a tw*t of a club you support and what they didn't do for the survivors all those years ago.
Munich memorial match 40 years AND SIX MONTHS later due to Cantona's 'acting career'
C*nt of a club, managed by a useless c*nt, players are sh1te c*nts and the c*nt fans stick their head into the sand while the French ponce took £90k out of the survivors kiitty.

 

[BlueRockape]

So you'll also agree you support a tw*t of a club considering they DID make Billions of Pounds and Millions of fans over the years on the commercialisation of a tragedy?
Relatively recently? 1998 ish?

You must be so proud of your club.

yawn....

Don't worry Mr raggy ar5e. I for one never get tired of highlighting what a tw*t of a club you support and what they didn't do for the survivors all those years ago.
Munich memorial match 40 years AND SIX MONTHS later due to Cantona's 'acting career'
C*nt of a club, managed by a useless c*nt, players are sh1te c*nts and the c*nt fans stick their head into the sand while the French ponce took £90k out of the survivors kiitty.

Fukin fantastic post sums the scummy twats up a treat

 

[JM Mcr]

So you'll also agree you support a tw*t of a club considering they DID make Billions of Pounds and Millions of fans over the years on the commercialisation of a tragedy?
Relatively recently? 1998 ish?

You must be so proud of your club.

yawn....

Don't worry Mr raggy ar5e. I for one never get tired of highlighting what a tw*t of a club you support and what they didn't do for the survivors all those years ago.
Munich memorial match 40 years AND SIX MONTHS later due to Cantona's 'acting career'
C*nt of a club, managed by a useless c*nt, players are sh1te c*nts and the c*nt fans stick their head into the sand while the French ponce took £90k out of the survivors kiitty.

double yawn..

 

[laserblue]

I believe a 15 year spell (1951/52 - 1967/68 - actually 16 years, my mistake) when Utd won 5 league titles, an FA cup (plus losing 2 finals) and became the first ever english side to lift the european cup had a major bearing on the support gained throughout the country.

That only partly explains it. The real swing was in the aftermath of Munich when the wave of sentiment created a whole generation of United fans throughout the country and beyond (notably Malta). The club has never been slow to exploit the tragedy for blatant commercial gain and the well documented despicable treatment of survivors and their families is a lasting stain on it. Basically the club (including Busby) didn't give a fuck about them but kept going through the hand wringing motions with the ker-ching of the cash tills always in the background.

 

[JM Mcr]

I believe a 15 year spell (1951/52 - 1967/68 - actually 16 years, my mistake) when Utd won 5 league titles, an FA cup (plus losing 2 finals) and became the first ever english side to lift the european cup had a major bearing on the support gained throughout the country.

That only partly explains it. The real swing was in the aftermath of Munich when the wave of sentiment created a whole generation of United fans throughout the country and beyond (notably Malta). The club has never been slow to exploit the tragedy for blatant commercial gain and the well documented despicable treatment of survivors and their families is a lasting stain on it. Basically the club (including Busby) didn't give a fuck about them but kept going through the hand wringing motions with the ker-ching of the cash tills always in the background.

Granted there was a huge leap in attendances the season after the crash but within 3 years (61/62) the average gate was down to just over 33 thousand. Fast forward 6 years they'd won an FA Cup, 2 league titles, the European Cup had Best, Law & Charlton in their pomp, and the average gate was over 55,500.

As for the treatment of survivors and families (or getting back to the topic of the thread), yes it was poor but times were very different back then. I'm not sure any club would've done things any differently at that time though they could, and should, have put things right on the compensation front much earlier than they did. I have to say tho that I think you're wide of the mark when you say Busby didn't give a fuck about crash survivors or victims families.

 

[Vienna_70]

I believe a 15 year spell (1951/52 - 1967/68 - actually 16 years, my mistake) when Utd won 5 league titles, an FA cup (plus losing 2 finals) and became the first ever english side to lift the european cup had a major bearing on the support gained throughout the country.

That only partly explains it. The real swing was in the aftermath of Munich when the wave oif sentiment created a whole generation of United fans throughout the country and beyond (notably Malta). The club has never been slow to exploit the tragedy for blatant commercial gain and the well documented despicable treatment of survivors and their families is a lasting stain on it. Basically the club (including Busby) didn't give a fuck about them but kept going through the hand wringing motions with the ker-ching of the cash tills always in the background.

Granted there was a huge leap in attendances the season after the crash but within 3 years (61/62) the average gate was down to just over 33 thousand. Fast forward 6 years they'd won an FA Cup, 2 league titles, the European Cup had Best, Law & Charlton in their pomp, and the average gate was over 55,500.

That just goes to show what a bunch of glory-hunting bastards follow your club, doesn't it?

 

[silverback]

I believe a 15 year spell (1951/52 - 1967/68 - actually 16 years, my mistake) when Utd won 5 league titles, an FA cup (plus losing 2 finals) and became the first ever english side to lift the european cup had a major bearing on the support gained throughout the country.

That only partly explains it. The real swing was in the aftermath of Munich when the wave of sentiment created a whole generation of United fans throughout the country and beyond (notably Malta). The club has never been slow to exploit the tragedy for blatant commercial gain and the well documented despicable treatment of survivors and their families is a lasting stain on it. Basically the club (including Busby) didn't give a fuck about them but kept going through the hand wringing motions with the ker-ching of the cash tills always in the background.

Granted there was a huge leap in attendances the season after the crash but within 3 years (61/62) the average gate was down to just over 33 thousand. Fast forward 6 years they'd won an FA Cup, 2 league titles, the European Cup had Best, Law & Charlton in their pomp, and the average gate was over 55,500.

As for the treatment of survivors and families (or getting back to the topic of the thread), yes it was poor but times were very different back then. I'm not sure any club would've done things any differently at that time though they could, and should, have put things right on the compensation front much earlier than they did. I have to say tho that I think you're wide of the mark when you say Busby didn't give a fuck about crash survivors or victims families.

I hope you are joking when you say that times were different then, sorry mate, but it was not a generational thing, it was callousness then and callousness now. You also mention compensation, surely that should read donations through the supporters. Any decent club would have paid the expenses of the players at the testimonial ( decent people would have foregone them, after all your team are there for the prestige not the cash).
History will judge and you will be found wanting.

 

[laserblue]

Granted there was a huge leap in attendances the season after the crash but within 3 years (61/62) the average gate was down to just over 33 thousand. Fast forward 6 years they'd won an FA Cup, 2 league titles, the European Cup had Best, Law & Charlton in their pomp, and the average gate was over 55,500.

I wasn't really talking about matchgoing fans. I was talking about the upsurge in support nationwide following Munich which was the catalyst for the creation of the armchair plastic fans even though in those days they had to make do with newspapers and a bit of radio to follow the team. I should maybe add that I'm old enough to remember all this first hand.

I have to say tho that I think you're wide of the mark when you say Busby didn't give a fuck about crash survivors or victims families.

There's the very well documented case of Albert Scanlon who survived the crash but whose form was sporadic afterwards largely due to psychological trauma. He was eventually offloaded to Newcastle and Busby told him when he left that if he ever hit hard times to make sure he contacted him and he would help him out. Some years later Scanlon did hit hard times and turned up at OT on a match day. When he saw Busby arrive Scanlon approached him and spoke to him but Busby blanked him completely and walked away. Scanlon bitterly recalled that he even had to pay to watch the match out of his own pocket.