munich and the truth

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

That's what happened, and in February 2012, 2013, 2014....the story will still be the same. No new facts to add to what we already know.

So, lets move on and get over it. It's their burden, not ours. There are some blues on here bringing up this "Munich families being screwed" story with a certain amount of glee, and that makes me feel sad.

In the present day at our own club we've got bigger and better things to concentrate on. This is the most exciting time to be a blue.

Give it a rest now.

Difficult when they, coincidentally, keep scheduling the derby as they do. Some City fans don't like being pawns in this tragedy.

And those City fans who lived through the Munich disaster shouldn't let corporate types, PR wallahs and those with poor memories, dish up our history in a revisionist guise.

 

[Sugarloaf]

That's what happened, and in February 2012, 2013, 2014....the story will still be the same. No new facts to add to what we already know.

So, lets move on and get over it. It's their burden, not ours. There are some blues on here bringing up this "Munich families being screwed" story with a certain amount of glee, and that makes me feel sad.

In the present day at our own club we've got bigger and better things to concentrate on. This is the most exciting time to be a blue.

Give it a rest now.

for a newbie you don't half give it and you don't half not get it, either.

A newbie in more ways than one. I have cleansed my mind of all hatred and bitterness towards the rags. From now on they are nothing more than an opponent that we will dominate on a football pitch for many years to come.

And do you know what, I feel much better now. The birds singing in the trees, and happy children playing in the streets, come and join me...the blue moon is rising.

P.S. If you don't join me, I will hunt you down and slap you while you sleep on the train!

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

for a newbie you don't half give it and you don't half not get it, either.

A newbie in more ways than one. I have cleansed my mind of all hatred and bitterness towards the rags. From now on they are nothing more than an opponent that we will dominate on a football pitch for many years to come.

And do you know what, I feel much better now. The birds singing in the trees, and happy children playing in the streets, come and join me...the blue moon is rising.

P.S. If you don't join me, I will hunt you down and slap you while you sleep on the train!

you wouldn't want to do that.

as it happens, the birds sing in the trees, but if children played on my road they'd get run over so not recommended.

 

[Skashion]

I say good on the blues who continue to putsch the truth out.

 

[DortmundDummy]

I think most united fans and officials at that club are in denial, a very good friend of mine aged 46, runs a successful business and is a careing family man has pictures of united all over his house, he`s also a steward at the swamp and loves the the club like we love city, jokingly at a recent meal and piss up we went back to his house and while in different rooms I re-positioned two pictures upside down of c**tana, next day I see him he asks why just C**tana ? so explain about the £100,000 he got and the way the survivors were treated.......now this is an intelligent bloke, but he seemed genuinely troubled by it, and was surprised and I could see he didn`t want to believe it. He`s not the only fan of the dark side that is blinkered to their black history.

90 grand ....to cantona
90 grand ....to cantona
90 grand ....to cantona

 

[el blue]

while in different rooms I re-positioned two pictures upside down

oh the japes.. you trickster you

 

[DortmundDummy]

while in different rooms I re-positioned two pictures upside down

oh the japes.. you trickster you

sorry it does`nt appeal to your sense of humour, it was the only bit of fun all night, we did`nt talk, joke, take the piss out of each other, we did`nt snort cocaine or kick any back doors in.....I`m very sorry I must improve my social skills.....in the mean time why don`t you contribute to the thread or just fuck off.

 

[el blue]

oh the japes.. you trickster you

sorry it does`nt appeal to your sense of humour, it was the only bit of fun all night, we did`nt talk, joke, take the piss out of each other, we did`nt snort cocaine or kick any back doors in.....I`m very sorry I must improve my social skills.....in the mean time why don`t you contribute to the thread or just fuck off.

probably

 

[cyclops]

Difficult when they, coincidentally, keep scheduling the derby as they do. Some City fans don't like being pawns in this tragedy.

It happens too many times for it to be a coincidence.

 

[DortmundDummy]

sorry it does`nt appeal to your sense of humour, it was the only bit of fun all night, we did`nt talk, joke, take the piss out of each other, we did`nt snort cocaine or kick any back doors in.....I`m very sorry I must improve my social skills.....in the mean time why don`t you contribute to the thread or just fuck off.

probably

Thats the sum total of your contribution to the thread is it ? What sort of CITY fan are you, nothing to say other than try to berate `fellow blues`....sad individual, some mothers do av em.

 

[Manx Blue]

I feel I have to respond even though I'm more of "Lurker" here. In addition I haven't read the whole thread, so I apologise if I'm going over old ground.

As far as I'm concerned, any loss of life in such a manner is tragic. Regardless of club colour, colour of skin or difference in blood group...we're all Human....someones son, someones daughter.

However, what I get frustrated at, like many other Blues, is the manner which this tragedy is brought up every February, with two or three page spreads in every national newspaper.

Whilst comparisons cannot be made directly, two other tragedies of a similar nature took place in the UK during the last 25 years. These being Lockerbie and Kegworth. Go back a little bit further, the Airtours disaster at Ringway is another.

I'll discount Lockerbie if I may, as this was a terrorist attack and has been at the forefront of the news even in recent years with the return of the alleged culprit to his homeland.

However, and I could be wrong here, I don't think the 55 which perished at Ringway, or 47 at Kegworth are remembered/revered in such a manner on an annual basis? I have no relatives or friends involved in any of these disasters, so have no agenda. But these tragedies were just as horrific, and memories and acknowledgement of the fallen, for families and friends should be just as vivid and important(?)...so why no parity???

In addition to my point. How many professional footballers have tragically passed on whilst still in their prime playing the beautiful game? Are they rememberred on an annual basis in such an fashion by their clubs?

I can't sit here and question how members of their club have acted in the past. I wasn't around then having only been born in '71. However people still obviously remember the manner in which some of our counterparts were treated.

I think the time has come after so many years, for United to acknowledge their loss, but also try and move on. They could start by asking the papers, SSN etc to play down the fact that the anniversary of the tragedy is about to take place.

It really is a difficult one, but I think if they could find some medium of acknowledging the past, without it being intensly recalled in the present, they may receive some empathy from Blues?

 

[liamctid]

I feel I have to respond even though I'm more of "Lurker" here. In addition I haven't read the whole thread, so I apologise if I'm going over old ground.

As far as I'm concerned, any loss of life in such a manner is tragic. Regardless of club colour, colour of skin or difference in blood group...we're all Human....someones son, someones daughter.

However, what I get frustrated at, like many other Blues, is the manner which this tragedy is brought up every February, with two or three page spreads in every national newspaper.

Whilst comparisons cannot be made directly, two other tragedies of a similar nature took place in the UK during the last 25 years. These being Lockerbie and Kegworth. Go back a little bit further, the Airtours disaster at Ringway is another.

I'll discount Lockerbie if I may, as this was a terrorist attack and has been at the forefront of the news even in recent years with the return of the alleged culprit to his homeland.

However, and I could be wrong here, I don't think the 55 which perished at Ringway, or 47 at Kegworth are remembered/revered in such a manner on an annual basis? I have no relatives or friends involved in any of these disasters, so have no agenda.

In addition to my point. How many professional footballers have tragically passed on whilst still in their prime playing the beautiful game? Are they rememberred on an annual basis in such an fashion by their clubs?

I can't sit here and question how members of their club have acted in the past. I wasn't around then having only been born in '71. However people still obviously remember the manner in which some of our counterparts were treated.

I think the time has come after so many years, for United to acknowledge their loss, but also try and move on. They could start by asking the papers, SSN etc to play down the fact that the anniversary of the tragedy is about to take place.

It really is a difficult one, but I think if they could find some medium of acknowledging the past, without it being intensly recalled in the present, they may receive some empathy from Blues?

I'd like to agree with you. However, how can we expect United to let it go if City, Leeds, Liverpool etc. fans still sing about it on a regular basis?!

 

[Manx Blue]

I feel I have to respond even though I'm more of "Lurker" here. In addition I haven't read the whole thread, so I apologise if I'm going over old ground.

As far as I'm concerned, any loss of life in such a manner is tragic. Regardless of club colour, colour of skin or difference in blood group...we're all Human....someones son, someones daughter.

However, what I get frustrated at, like many other Blues, is the manner which this tragedy is brought up every February, with two or three page spreads in every national newspaper.

Whilst comparisons cannot be made directly, two other tragedies of a similar nature took place in the UK during the last 25 years. These being Lockerbie and Kegworth. Go back a little bit further, the Airtours disaster at Ringway is another.

I'll discount Lockerbie if I may, as this was a terrorist attack and has been at the forefront of the news even in recent years with the return of the alleged culprit to his homeland.

However, and I could be wrong here, I don't think the 55 which perished at Ringway, or 47 at Kegworth are remembered/revered in such a manner on an annual basis? I have no relatives or friends involved in any of these disasters, so have no agenda.

In addition to my point. How many professional footballers have tragically passed on whilst still in their prime playing the beautiful game? Are they rememberred on an annual basis in such an fashion by their clubs?

I can't sit here and question how members of their club have acted in the past. I wasn't around then having only been born in '71. However people still obviously remember the manner in which some of our counterparts were treated.

I think the time has come after so many years, for United to acknowledge their loss, but also try and move on. They could start by asking the papers, SSN etc to play down the fact that the anniversary of the tragedy is about to take place.

It really is a difficult one, but I think if they could find some medium of acknowledging the past, without it being intensly recalled in the present, they may receive some empathy from Blues?

I'd like to agree with you. However, how can we expect United to let it go if City, Leeds, Liverpool etc. fans still sing about it on a regular basis?!

Very true Liam....but is this not brought on by them "refusing" to let it go?

 

[bert's broken neck]

Can't see the scum ever letting go off their "cash cow". I was a kid of 8 when the disaster occurred and I grew up thinking that the German word for money was "munich"! It was only when I did German at secondary school that I found out it was actually "geld" - almost as disappointing as finding out that Father Christmas was a figment of my parents' imagination!

 

[friend]

As a Red (Rag), I do not like the way the club has behaved in this manner. There are some genuine city fans who have posted well thought posts on this thread, and for that I salute you for it.

What I would say is that I hope that the view is good from the moral high ground that many of the posters on here have taken. Many have taken this as another excuse to have a pop at United and the behaviour of the club and it's fans.
Every club has it's minority, and the next time I hear the Munich songs/references being sung, I hope these same people with the high morals and care for the victims and survivors will behave accordingly.

 

[tamsie]

As a Red (Rag), I do not like the way the club has behaved in this manner. There are some genuine city fans who have posted well thought posts on this thread, and for that I salute you for it.

What I would say is that I hope that the view is good from the moral high ground that many of the posters on here have taken. Many have taken this as another excuse to have a pop at United and the behaviour of the club and it's fans.
Every club has it's minority, and the next time I hear the Munich songs/references being sung, I hope these same people with the high morals and care for the victims and survivors will behave accordingly.

I fully agree singing about it is as sick as profiting from it. 23 people died that day (or just after) and I have never sang about it for that reason. Shankly was wrong football isnt more important than life its self. To be honest I havent heard it sang on mass by City fans for a few years now lets hope thats the end of it, its a shit song to sing we are better then that.

 

[Sugarloaf]

As a Red (Rag), I do not like the way the club has behaved in this manner. There are some genuine city fans who have posted well thought posts on this thread, and for that I salute you for it.

What I would say is that I hope that the view is good from the moral high ground that many of the posters on here have taken. Many have taken this as another excuse to have a pop at United and the behaviour of the club and it's fans.
Every club has it's minority, and the next time I hear the Munich songs/references being sung, I hope these same people with the high morals and care for the victims and survivors will behave accordingly.

I honestly feel that the Munich chants are a thing of the past, and I don't know any rags who go on about the M.A.D. as much as 'some' blues do. It's not really banter or even a public infomation service, it's oneupmanship of a despicable nature. And it leaves a sour taste in my mouth. This is only a minority of blues stuck in the past and they are thankfully a dying breed.

 

[friend]

It's only been once but I've been with reds who have referred to Hilsborough. Thankfully, the majority educate them on how to behave.This followed Liverpool singing about Munich, but that shouldn't be an excuse. It's a collective responsibility of everyone, regardless of club, to correct this.

 

[bluegaz13]

As a Red (Rag), I do not like the way the club has behaved in this manner. There are some genuine city fans who have posted well thought posts on this thread, and for that I salute you for it.

What I would say is that I hope that the view is good from the moral high ground that many of the posters on here have taken. Many have taken this as another excuse to have a pop at United and the behaviour of the club and it's fans.
Every club has it's minority, and the next time I hear the Munich songs/references being sung, I hope these same people with the high morals and care for the victims and survivors will behave accordingly.

Fantasic post 'friend' I wish we could rid our own club of of the retards that sing sick songs about people that have lost their lives.

 

[Balti]

As a Red (Rag), I do not like the way the club has behaved in this manner. There are some genuine city fans who have posted well thought posts on this thread, and for that I salute you for it.

What I would say is that I hope that the view is good from the moral high ground that many of the posters on here have taken. Many have taken this as another excuse to have a pop at United and the behaviour of the club and it's fans.
Every club has it's minority, and the next time I hear the Munich songs/references being sung, I hope these same people with the high morals and care for the victims and survivors will behave accordingly.

Fantasic post 'friend' I wish we could rid our own club of of the retards that sing sick songs about people that have lost their lives.

well said, and no doubt the rags wish their retards would stop singing inflammatory songs too