munich and the truth

[big gaz]

Well I was enjoying that thread, but why did someone upset Damo you had Hooter dangling on a rope there.
Damo going on about Fascism, then the heavy guns come out with gary James and that yank rag hooter scuttles off into the eather.
You should have nailed his balls to the flag pole when you guys had the chance.

 

[daveduke67]

This is a five year old article - how many times have we seen this story in one guise or another? And it seems a bit biased - 'Blanchflower died in 1998, partly from kidney failure resulting from the long-term injuries incurred at Munich'. Forty years later he died at the age of 67!

Once again City fans dragging this up in an attempt to belittle the rags. Everyone knows - and that includes the club and its fans - that this was handled disgracefully. Had it been today the PR team would have been all over this and the club would have done everything humanly possible for the survivors or the dead players families.

It was 52 years ago - things were handled differently then. That doesn't make it right but they were.

Bringing it up time after time isn't suddenly going to change anything - a thread on here isn't suddenly going to make the millions of fans around the world suddenly drop the rags. The people who dealt with this in 1958 are, I'd guess, all dead now so why keep going on about how it was handled. They aren't around to apologise. The club tried to make amends and made a pigs ear of it. Leave them to it. Most people know what they are playing at with this. The only people that it really doesn't bother are the rag fans for whom the club can do no wrong. Let them think that - what does it really matter?

Aren't the people who use this argument against utd, almost as bad as the club they are accusing of milking the accident? I am the only one who sees a bit of irony in the fact that people are repeatedly accusing utd of not letting it go and leaving the dead men to rest in peace?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

This is a five year old article - how many times have we seen this story in one guise or another? And it seems a bit biased - 'Blanchflower died in 1998, partly from kidney failure resulting from the long-term injuries incurred at Munich'. Forty years later he died at the age of 67!

Once again City fans dragging this up in an attempt to belittle the rags. Everyone knows - and that includes the club and its fans - that this was handled disgracefully. Had it been today the PR team would have been all over this and the club would have done everything humanly possible for the survivors or the dead players families.

It was 52 years ago - things were handled differently then. That doesn't make it right but they were.

Bringing it up time after time isn't suddenly going to change anything - a thread on here isn't suddenly going to make the millions of fans around the world suddenly drop the rags. The people who dealt with this in 1958 are, I'd guess, all dead now so why keep going on about how it was handled. They aren't around to apologise. The club tried to make amends and made a pigs ear of it. Leave them to it. Most people know what they are playing at with this. The only people that it really doesn't bother are the rag fans for whom the club can do no wrong. Let them think that - what does it really matter?

Aren't the people who use this argument against utd, almost as bad as the club they are accusing of milking the accident? I am the only one who sees a bit of irony in the fact that people are repeatedly accusing utd of not letting it go and leaving the dead men to rest in peace?

i wish these threads weren't here but we can't really pick and choose what can and can't be talked about.

I understand where you are coming from though.

 

[mcfcliam]

Will the minute silence be sponsered by AIG?

 

[samharris]

7/6d entrance fee, I knew Albert, he had a Scrap yard on Stamford st in Old Trafford, things were very different back then.

Yeah, that's still £15,000 every game on gate receipts, adjusted for inflation works out at around £300,000 every week.

Which part of this are you not getting?

By the way, stop with the whole "times were different" shit. It's now becoming borderline trolling.

Times may well have been different but they certainly dont mind dragging it up every year do they..It was despicable what they did back then...No two ways around it.

 

[friend]

This is a five year old article - how many times have we seen this story in one guise or another? And it seems a bit biased - 'Blanchflower died in 1998, partly from kidney failure resulting from the long-term injuries incurred at Munich'. Forty years later he died at the age of 67!

Once again City fans dragging this up in an attempt to belittle the rags. Everyone knows - and that includes the club and its fans - that this was handled disgracefully. Had it been today the PR team would have been all over this and the club would have done everything humanly possible for the survivors or the dead players families.

It was 52 years ago - things were handled differently then. That doesn't make it right but they were.

Bringing it up time after time isn't suddenly going to change anything - a thread on here isn't suddenly going to make the millions of fans around the world suddenly drop the rags. The people who dealt with this in 1958 are, I'd guess, all dead now so why keep going on about how it was handled. They aren't around to apologise. The club tried to make amends and made a pigs ear of it. Leave them to it. Most people know what they are playing at with this. The only people that it really doesn't bother are the rag fans for whom the club can do no wrong. Let them think that - what does it really matter?

Aren't the people who use this argument against utd, almost as bad as the club they are accusing of milking the accident? I am the only one who sees a bit of irony in the fact that people are repeatedly accusing utd of not letting it go and leaving the dead men to rest in peace?

^This^

Today, you are my hero.

 

[SWP's back]

Murder?

How very dramatic. You take this whole forum business very seriously don't you? It's all letters in a database to me. I tell people to fuck themselves and occasionally call people a twat. If you cannot handle that, then you really shouldn't be using the internet.

After you called me a thick twat (or something along those lines when I was very new and I retorted with the old "say that to my face..." line) - you gave me a warning which suggests you take it seriously at times also.

Btw - I am not taking sides, just throwing that out there (I have also calmed down a great deal on here now I know how a forum works).

 

[M18CTID]

This is a five year old article - how many times have we seen this story in one guise or another? And it seems a bit biased - 'Blanchflower died in 1998, partly from kidney failure resulting from the long-term injuries incurred at Munich'. Forty years later he died at the age of 67!

Once again City fans dragging this up in an attempt to belittle the rags. Everyone knows - and that includes the club and its fans - that this was handled disgracefully. Had it been today the PR team would have been all over this and the club would have done everything humanly possible for the survivors or the dead players families.

It was 52 years ago - things were handled differently then. That doesn't make it right but they were.

Bringing it up time after time isn't suddenly going to change anything - a thread on here isn't suddenly going to make the millions of fans around the world suddenly drop the rags. The people who dealt with this in 1958 are, I'd guess, all dead now so why keep going on about how it was handled. They aren't around to apologise. The club tried to make amends and made a pigs ear of it. Leave them to it. Most people know what they are playing at with this. The only people that it really doesn't bother are the rag fans for whom the club can do no wrong. Let them think that - what does it really matter?

Aren't the people who use this argument against utd, almost as bad as the club they are accusing of milking the accident? I am the only one who sees a bit of irony in the fact that people are repeatedly accusing utd of not letting it go and leaving the dead men to rest in peace?

As much as I agree that this topic shouldn't keep being brought up, I'm intrigued to know exactly who these United fans are that know their club behaved so badly regarding this whole episode.

It can't be the United fans I know - apart from one (my boss), I've never heard any of them utter a single word of condemnation regarding their club's behaviour. And these aren't plastics or johnny-come-latelys we're talking about - they're what you would call proper fans who actually know a fair bit about the history of their club. After that 40th anniversary testimonial game in 1998, I asked one such red (someone who is actually a decent bloke) down our local why it had taken until 40 years after the event for United to organise the match. Instead of agreeing with me and admitting that his club had behaved in a dubious manner regarding this particular issue, he tried to blag it and claimed that United had held a memorial match years earlier - a complete and utter lie. Unfortunately, he was trying to bullshit the wrong person (I knew full well United had never staged a game previously for the victims of Munich) and it was astonishing to see someone who I've known for years making a pig's ear of the simplest of questions. All he had to do was acknowledge United as a club had shown what amounted to piss-poor form.

I contrast this with the Neil Young testimonial issue at City - no City fan has ever been quite so "behind the door" when criticising our own club in their failure to grant Nelly a testimonial which he fully deserved. In fact, by and large City fans will criticise the club as and when they see fit. I'm not saying that makes us any better than United fans - in fact, I've always been of the opinion there's good and bad elements amongst the support of both clubs - but I continue to find it very puzzling as to why United fans that know what went on all those years ago refuse to criticise their own club.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

This is a five year old article - how many times have we seen this story in one guise or another? And it seems a bit biased - 'Blanchflower died in 1998, partly from kidney failure resulting from the long-term injuries incurred at Munich'. Forty years later he died at the age of 67!

Once again City fans dragging this up in an attempt to belittle the rags. Everyone knows - and that includes the club and its fans - that this was handled disgracefully. Had it been today the PR team would have been all over this and the club would have done everything humanly possible for the survivors or the dead players families.

It was 52 years ago - things were handled differently then. That doesn't make it right but they were.

Bringing it up time after time isn't suddenly going to change anything - a thread on here isn't suddenly going to make the millions of fans around the world suddenly drop the rags. The people who dealt with this in 1958 are, I'd guess, all dead now so why keep going on about how it was handled. They aren't around to apologise. The club tried to make amends and made a pigs ear of it. Leave them to it. Most people know what they are playing at with this. The only people that it really doesn't bother are the rag fans for whom the club can do no wrong. Let them think that - what does it really matter?

Aren't the people who use this argument against utd, almost as bad as the club they are accusing of milking the accident? I am the only one who sees a bit of irony in the fact that people are repeatedly accusing utd of not letting it go and leaving the dead men to rest in peace?

Agreed.

 

[lloydie]

if you ignore a question on a debate about your team, and then claim this get out clause, well..

only someone like damocles or denro will ban you, the other mods are not fascist

spit it out lad.

that make me sound fascist. you of course dont mean that do you?

Tsk, moody bugger!



@ daveduke67

Everyone knows - and that includes the club and its fans - that this was handled disgracefully.

As our friend hooter has shown on this thread, they refuse to acknowledge it and see no problem in continuing to exploit it commercially, regardless of the 15 people who died who were not their players. As long as they do then I think that they need to be reminded of the full story.

Well I was enjoying that thread, but why did someone upset Damo you had Hooter dangling on a rope there.
Damo going on about Fascism, then the heavy guns come out with gary James and that yank rag hooter scuttles off into the eather.
You should have nailed his balls to the flag pole when you guys had the chance.

Yeah, it was a shame but hooter had logged off around the point the mod baiting began anyway. What he was doing at 3.30am on a city forum escapes me, I even think of myself as a bit sad for being here at that time.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

It's all a bag of shite.

Fuck them, who cares?

 

[Anonymous]

if you ignore a question on a debate about your team, and then claim this get out clause, well..

only someone like damocles or denro will ban you, the other mods are not fascist

spit it out lad.

that make me sound fascist. you of course dont mean that do you?

of course not

but damocles is a moody so and so..

 

[BillyMC]

Its not for us to tell United how to commemorate the Munich air disaster. At the end of the day, the worst a blue has to do is keep his gob shut for 60 seconds during a minutes silence. If you cant achieve that and feel the need to waffle on endlessly about it on a message board then youve got too much time on your hands.

 

[Cellarite]

i know a few have posted on here to say it should be left alone, but to me this type of stuff is interesting. i've never heard about some of that in the article. i knew about cantona's payday but not a lot about how some of the ex-players were treated.

it's ok saying that it should be left in the past but i learned loads from the most powerful pictures ever taken thread in off topic and that was all about history.

 

[Damocles]

that make me sound fascist. you of course dont mean that do you?

of course not

but damocles is a moody so and so..

Meh, you're a twat.

And shit at guitar.

 

[Deleted member 14625]

i know a few have posted on here to say it should be left alone, but to me this type of stuff is interesting. i've never heard about some of that in the article. i knew about cantona's payday but not a lot about how some of the ex-players were treated.

it's ok saying that it should be left in the past but i learned loads from the most powerful pictures ever taken thread in off topic and that was all about history.

Indeed!

 

[lloydie]

of course not

but damocles is a moody so and so..

Meh, you're a twat.

And shit at guitar.

...........Also, anybody who uses the word "Meh" in an adult debate has no place in an adult debate.

 

[bluemanc]

'It has all been so much PR b******t,' was the verdict of Harry Gregg.

And IT'S still a PR stunt.

 

[PaulBluemoon]

Great read i didnt know this

 

[mattydale]

i havent read this either, interesting