MUTINY by players.Konspiracy??.... We will see

[Ducado]

I would say that the training Hughes has brought in is no different than what goes on in other top clubs in Europe (certainley the Rags) so I would say that the previous regimes have not been right for where we want to go, more than anything the modern game is about fitness and stamina to see out a long hard season

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

He was already sacked by then, everyone knew it even if it weren't official.

From what I heard there was a wobble again in Thaks thoughts (it started to look unlikely that Scholari was going to accept any time soon) and 8-1 made the decision absolute. Either way it was utterly futile. Especially given the damage done in the Fulham capitulation. Anyway long gone now.

Whether the details in this story are true or not its very clear to me that Hughes is looking at it like when Ferguson first went to United and rooted out the Whiteside/McGrath/Robson drinking team. This you are either with me or out keeps coming up.

Are you honestly comparing the professional attitude of Whiteside, Robson and McGrath to that of post 2002 Dunne, Vassell and Michael Ball?

 

[CooperMcfcF/W]

Some of our players are old dogs, who don't like to be taught new tricks, it would appear ,who just prefer to stay in their own comfort zones.

HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD MATE

 

[bluebeard]

I am asking that if it does exist then why is there the automatic assumption that men of previous excellent character at this club and at others are suddenly those at fault whilst a manager who has somewhat of a reputation as seeing himself as a 'hardman' and a 'hard taskmaster' could not possibly have any fault attached to him

Isn't that a bit simplistic? Almost 'spun' completely one way?

Hughes is paid to MANAGE they are paid to PLAY, you canot have the tail wagging the dog!

Maybe they thought if true that they could get rid of him and a new manager a la Sven would be brought in to preserve the Status Quo??' Just a thought

 

[mr t]

Some of our players are old dogs, who don't like to be taught new tricks, it would appear ,who just prefer to stay in their own comfort zones.

Spot on.

And Ball, Hamann & Dunne for sure are all smokers who are gonna be fagged out after a testing work out.

So instead of quitting the ciggies they'll complain that the manager expects too much of them in training.

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

I would say that the training Hughes has brought in is no different than what goes on in other top clubs in Europe (certainley the Rags) so I would say that the previous regimes have not been right for where we want to go, more than anything the modern game is about fitness and stamina to see out a long hard season

I keep eharing this comparison with top Euro clubs and the likes of Bayern and Madrid but what is it based on?

It seems it's based on nothing more than rumour.

To claim Hughes is implementing a regime that mirrors the best in the world is as riduclous as me claiming he is treating them like Blackpool beach donkeys without the evidence to back it up. It continues the theme of this thread. People quick to believe anything negative about the players and never questioning why they might act as described (and we don't know if that is true) or whether the management might hold some responsiblility.

 

[Ducado]

I would say that the training Hughes has brought in is no different than what goes on in other top clubs in Europe (certainley the Rags) so I would say that the previous regimes have not been right for where we want to go, more than anything the modern game is about fitness and stamina to see out a long hard season

I keep eharing this comparison with top Euro clubs and the likes of Bayern and Madrid but what is it based on?

It seems it's based on nothing more than rumour.

To claim Hughes is implementing a regime that mirrors the best in the world is as riduclous as me claiming he is treating them like Blackpool beach donkeys without the evidence to back it up. It continues the theme of this thread. People quick to believe anything negative about the players and never questioning why they might act as described (and we don't know if that is true) or whether the management might hold some responsiblility.

I know for a fact that it has been the case for many years that the Rags have trained a lot harder than us

 

[blue 1992]

IF this is true, i would ship half the squad and rebuild, we should get rid of everyone apart from hart, bridge, zabba, kompany, ireland, swp, robinho, sturridge and richards

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

I am asking that if it does exist then why is there the automatic assumption that men of previous excellent character at this club and at others are suddenly those at fault whilst a manager who has somewhat of a reputation as seeing himself as a 'hardman' and a 'hard taskmaster' could not possibly have any fault attached to him

Isn't that a bit simplistic? Almost 'spun' completely one way?

Hughes is paid to MANAGE they are paid to PLAY, you canot have the tail wagging the dog!

Maybe they thought if true that they could get rid of him and a new manager a la Sven would be brought in to preserve the Status Quo??' Just a thought

But we are told that Sven was this excpetionally soft bastard who has little equal in the slineless bastard stakes. Therefore they are not going to expect that getting someone like him in is a realistic prospect, no matter how much they complain.

Also, again, you are keen to doubt the professional opinion of numerous footballers who have worked under numerous different managers and rgimes but will not even question the judgement of one man who has only been a club manager in one isolated situation (one which may bear little relation to the situation and type of players he has inherited). I'm not sure why this is. It's not like I am asking you to question Pravda, just to keep an open mind. The way that men of previous excellent character are automatically being writen off as twats by people who used to be their 'fans' suggests that people really do think that the men from the Stasi will be knocking on the door if they don't agree with the party line without question

 

[slbsn]

From what I heard there was a wobble again in Thaks thoughts (it started to look unlikely that Scholari was going to accept any time soon) and 8-1 made the decision absolute. Either way it was utterly futile. Especially given the damage done in the Fulham capitulation. Anyway long gone now.

Whether the details in this story are true or not its very clear to me that Hughes is looking at it like when Ferguson first went to United and rooted out the Whiteside/McGrath/Robson drinking team. This you are either with me or out keeps coming up.

Are you honestly comparing the professional attitude of Whiteside, Robson and McGrath to that of post 2002 Dunne, Vassell and Michael Ball?

Possibly the modern equivalent. Like others say "old dogs".

But that wasnt the point I was making. I doubt that Dunne or Vassell (I think they would do the work and keep their mouths shut save for a special meeting) are on the hit list due to attitude (ability and performances maybe) and Ball has been selected over Garrido recently so I doubt that he is top of the hit list either. But I think the analogy does apply to the Jo's (I think Blue2112 suggested he has a problem getting to training), Elanos (the most obvious trouble maker despite his talents) and the Johnsons.

Anyway Im not as well connected as in the past so its all speculation from me.