GStar said:Well, that was a watertight reply, glad you took the time and effort to put yourelf across so eloquently.ANY1aBLUE said:Rubbish...................all of it.
nevilletogoater-in said:That's the problem though, his wand of a left foot is too few and far between. I agree about the cross for Yaya but think back at all the corners that he's taken that have failed to beat the first man.
The difference between Aleks and Bale is that Bale has pace to burn which is why he's such a threat going forward. With Aleks it seems to take him an age to get forward.
80s Shorts said:Well we agree he is not a good defender. However, with little pace and no tricks to beat a fullback, how on earth will he be a threat further up the pitch.
I don't think he's (kolarov) as slow as some make out, not Walcott-esque by any means either. Its also not an instant transition, Bale took the best part of 2 seasons at Spurs iirc to sort himself out and was almost sold for peanuts during that time.
He's got talent, there's no harm in trying to harness it in the best way for both him and the team.
franksinatra said:I keep hearing he isnt good offensively but as I mentioned in another thread he has picked up a minimum of three assists and two goals in a minimal number of games. If he isnt effective going forward, what do you think of the other players?
nevilletogoater-in said:franksinatra said:I keep hearing he isnt good offensively but as I mentioned in another thread he has picked up a minimum of three assists and two goals in a minimal number of games. If he isnt effective going forward, what do you think of the other players?
Because as a 'set piece' specialist which is what the tagline was when we bought him, I expect more than just a handful of assists and more goals. It'd be interesting to see out of all the set pieces he's taken for example direct free kicks, just how many 'scoring opporunities' has he converted? I bet it's minimal.
The comparison about Bale and Kolorov is a non starter, whilst Bale might have been minutes away from being sold to Forest for peanuts, he wasn't a big money signing in the first place. Plus he's always had pace, he just couldn't defend. Kolorov can't defend and is as quick as John Macken
franksinatra said:nevilletogoater-in said:franksinatra said:I keep hearing he isnt good offensively but as I mentioned in another thread he has picked up a minimum of three assists and two goals in a minimal number of games. If he isnt effective going forward, what do you think of the other players?
Because as a 'set piece' specialist which is what the tagline was when we bought him, I expect more than just a handful of assists and more goals. It'd be interesting to see out of all the set pieces he's taken for example direct free kicks, just how many 'scoring opporunities' has he converted? I bet it's minimal.
The comparison about Bale and Kolorov is a non starter, whilst Bale might have been minutes away from being sold to Forest for peanuts, he wasn't a big money signing in the first place. Plus he's always had pace, he just couldn't defend. Kolorov can't defend and is as quick as John Macken
It was a tagline put on him by the press and built up by the fans having watched a few youtube clips. Mancini is sensible enough not to buy a player for that one quality.
Incidentally he has four assists and two goals in 14 starts this season. You expected more? From a leftback? If that is the case you will be disappointed with whoever plays there. Like many that criticise Kolarov they use a different benchmark for him than too others. With some even claiming he is rubbish going forward, but rarely is Clichy criticised for his forward play yet he has contributed next to nothing offensively in twice the number of games.
Train said:franksinatra said:nevilletogoater-in said:Because as a 'set piece' specialist which is what the tagline was when we bought him, I expect more than just a handful of assists and more goals. It'd be interesting to see out of all the set pieces he's taken for example direct free kicks, just how many 'scoring opporunities' has he converted? I bet it's minimal.
The comparison about Bale and Kolorov is a non starter, whilst Bale might have been minutes away from being sold to Forest for peanuts, he wasn't a big money signing in the first place. Plus he's always had pace, he just couldn't defend. Kolorov can't defend and is as quick as John Macken
It was a tagline put on him by the press and built up by the fans having watched a few youtube clips. Mancini is sensible enough not to buy a player for that one quality.
Incidentally he has four assists and two goals in 14 starts this season. You expected more? From a leftback? If that is the case you will be disappointed with whoever plays there. Like many that criticise Kolarov they use a different benchmark for him than too others. With some even claiming he is rubbish going forward, but rarely is Clichy criticised for his forward play yet he has contributed next to nothing offensively in twice the number of games.
I agree. Though the way we play, essentially the leftback and rightback play as wingbacks so its imperative that their crossing or their ability to beat their man is good which kolarov lacks due to his speed. But he has come up big for us this year despite not having much gametime.
Train said:franksinatra said:nevilletogoater-in said:Because as a 'set piece' specialist which is what the tagline was when we bought him, I expect more than just a handful of assists and more goals. It'd be interesting to see out of all the set pieces he's taken for example direct free kicks, just how many 'scoring opporunities' has he converted? I bet it's minimal.
The comparison about Bale and Kolorov is a non starter, whilst Bale might have been minutes away from being sold to Forest for peanuts, he wasn't a big money signing in the first place. Plus he's always had pace, he just couldn't defend. Kolorov can't defend and is as quick as John Macken
It was a tagline put on him by the press and built up by the fans having watched a few youtube clips. Mancini is sensible enough not to buy a player for that one quality.
Incidentally he has four assists and two goals in 14 starts this season. You expected more? From a leftback? If that is the case you will be disappointed with whoever plays there. Like many that criticise Kolarov they use a different benchmark for him than too others. With some even claiming he is rubbish going forward, but rarely is Clichy criticised for his forward play yet he has contributed next to nothing offensively in twice the number of games.
I agree. Though the way we play, essentially the leftback and rightback play as wingbacks so its imperative that their crossing or their ability to beat their man is good which kolarov lacks due to his speed. But he has come up big for us this year despite not having much gametime.
nevilletogoater-in said:Train said:franksinatra said:It was a tagline put on him by the press and built up by the fans having watched a few youtube clips. Mancini is sensible enough not to buy a player for that one quality.
Incidentally he has four assists and two goals in 14 starts this season. You expected more? From a leftback? If that is the case you will be disappointed with whoever plays there. Like many that criticise Kolarov they use a different benchmark for him than too others. With some even claiming he is rubbish going forward, but rarely is Clichy criticised for his forward play yet he has contributed next to nothing offensively in twice the number of games.
I agree. Though the way we play, essentially the leftback and rightback play as wingbacks so its imperative that their crossing or their ability to beat their man is good which kolarov lacks due to his speed. But he has come up big for us this year despite not having much gametime.
The official site has him down as playing 15 games this season and 3 of them coming on as a sub. He's scored 2 goals, 1 in the league, 1 in the cup. He's got 2 assists, 1 in the league against QPR away and 1 in the cup at home to Birmingham.
So for someone who cost £17m - £18m ish, who takes the majority of the dead ball situations, both direct free kicks and corners then yeh I would have expected more going forward.
If you couple this with his lack of defensive ability then in my opinion it's not good enough.
franksinatra said:nevilletogoater-in said:Train said:I agree. Though the way we play, essentially the leftback and rightback play as wingbacks so its imperative that their crossing or their ability to beat their man is good which kolarov lacks due to his speed. But he has come up big for us this year despite not having much gametime.
The official site has him down as playing 15 games this season and 3 of them coming on as a sub. He's scored 2 goals, 1 in the league, 1 in the cup. He's got 2 assists, 1 in the league against QPR away and 1 in the cup at home to Birmingham.
So for someone who cost £17m - £18m ish, who takes the majority of the dead ball situations, both direct free kicks and corners then yeh I would have expected more going forward.
If you couple this with his lack of defensive ability then in my opinion it's not good enough.
I dont need to look at the website pal I can remember what actually happened during the game. Kolarov put in a fantastic low cross and Marchena put it in his own net depriving Dzeko of a goal. Kolarov crossed to Nasri, saved and then bundled in by scapuzzi.
No offence but its not surprising you dont rate him going forward if you cannot remember his contribution this season and need to check the website.
Incidentally City hardly ever score from corner kicks and that has happened long before Kolarov joined the club and Silva also takes a lot of set pieces with similar results. But you can balame Kolarov if that helps your argument.