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[inbetween]

Or NATO can back off and engage in peace talks and the world can get trade back to some working degree.

Peace talks about what?

Russian withdrawal from Ukraine I'm assuming? That is all that Ukraine will accept as it stands.

It is not for NATO or the west to dictate that in any event. The continuous supply of weapons pretty much proves that if NATO wished to end the war and force peace then it wouldn't be giving Ukraine what it needs to fight.

Peace talks will only happen when Ukraine decides there is something to negotiate. As it stands there is nothing, there is only the full withdrawal of Russia from Ukraine.

 

[BayernMan]

NATO as a body is a defensive alliance but as what each individual member does in their own foreign policy goals has nothing to do with NATO.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

I don't really understand how an economic system has anything to do with a military body? The NATO purpose isn't to spread capitalism, if it was then why is a country like Portugal a NATO member given it values socialist ideals? Would you really consider Portugal as a US colony?

Now vs NATO, a stronger argument could be made around Chinese imperialism and colonialism because Chinese influence is dominated by economic strength as opposed to military strength. Compared to us the Chinese are literally defined by their economic system and China isn't even a democracy to enable its own people to choose let alone others.

I guess as a socialist you're not bothered by that though? Would you be bothered if China sliced apart the UK and made it into a communist colony? I doubt it because bring on the hammer and the fist as long as he's a socialist....

The difference with NATO is countries have a choice and even then that choice is limited purely to what NATO military capability can do for the goals of that country. NATO enables the people of a country like Romania to make a choice to join the EU for example without fear of consequences due to the threat of Russian aggression.

In this example the fact I know you disagree with the EU's own goals is the problem in your argument because that still has nothing to do with NATO.

Totally agree with that - Famous quote by formed U.S president John Adams "There are two ways to conquer and enslave a country. One is by the sword. The other is by debt." the Chinese government has been leveraging the debt burden of smaller countries for geopolitical ends for a very long time now.

If there was a future similar U.N resolution vote along the same lines as recently passed against russia there would be a considerably higher number of abstentions or in favour of China than what russia received.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Too many Russian loving commies in this thread for my liking.

 

[BrianW]

Point of Information, Mr Chairman.

"Is Russia Communist Today? Find Out Here!" History on the Net
© 2000-2023, Salem Media.
March 12, 2023 https://www.historyonthenet.com/is-russia-communist

 

[aguero93:20]

Too many Russian loving commies in this thread for my liking.

Mods need to move it to the sixth floor.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Tiny snapshot of what just one part of NATO does in collaboration

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Tiny snapshot of what just one part of NATO does in collaboration

We are certainly a lot better at making videos about marines than the Russians. If the Ukraine war comes down to YouTube footage we'll piss it.

 

[NPBlue]

Too many Russian loving commies in this thread for my liking.

Maybe have a watch on youtube. Just type in 1420.

Most of them 'Commies' are less brainwashed and have more balance than the leftie hate mob we see in the UK after years of reading bullshit in the overwhelmingly right wing media in the UK, frothing at the mouth by reading someone having an opinion daring to criticise a grubby government poilcy that is illegal and doomed to fail.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Maybe have a watch on youtube. Just type in 1420.

Most of them 'Commies' are less brainwashed and have more balance than the leftie hate mob we see in the UK after years of reading bullshit in the overwhelmingly right wing media in the UK, frothing at the mouth by reading someone having an opinion daring to criticise a grubby government poilcy that is illegal and doomed to fail.

I typed in "1420" on youtube and discovered that "1420" is a reference to "Daniil Orain," a Russian citizen with a youtube channel who posts about the people he interviews in Russia. It seems that those he interviews recently are more critical of the government than in the past.

I'm confused about the rest of your post though: are you simply pointing out that it's possible to love Russia and yet deplore the acts of Putin? Please enlighten.