Thought this was a pretty decent writeup:
https://statsbomb.com/2018/03/identifying-ligue-1s-next-breakout-talent-tanguy-ndombele/
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Andrew___K
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Just watch this.anyone have any descriptions on this guy ? genuinely know nothing about him.
Just watch this.
His passing definitely looks like he could play for us. What surprised me though was his dribbling. Looks nimble and able to receive the ball, turn, and accelerate up the pitch all while keeping close control.
My only question is, if Lyon activate the option to buy, wouldn't he be ineligible to be sold again in the summer? Meaning the earliest we could buy him would be Jan 2019 or summer 2019? Even though the option was agreed to last summer, the sale wouldn't be final until this summer, and I know players can't be sold twice in the same window. Or am I mistaken?
Not necessarily, if he hasn't signed a term contract he's free to choose his own move under the Bosman Ruling and EU law.
Everything is agreed prior to the loan. Only an amateur club would put in an option to buy in a loan contract without already agreeing all terms.
What kind of option is it when the buy option is contingent on agreeing terms with the player. It rarely works like that. Makes zero sense.
You think Morata had to agree terms with Real Madrid when they bought him back from Juve?? Of course not because if it was up to him he would of rejected whatever terms offered and stayed at Juve. You think Shaw agreed terms before rags executed the option to extend his contract, of course he didn’t because he would of rejected whatever terms offered and left on a free.
Same logic here.
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An option for an additional year is completely different to turning a fixed period loan into a permanent deal. If a permanent transfer was agreed at the start of the loan period, it wouldn't be a loan, which is why UEFA are looking at the obligation to buy deals.Everything is agreed prior to the loan. Only an amateur club would put in an option to buy in a loan contract without already agreeing all terms.
What kind of option is it when the buy option is contingent on agreeing terms with the player. It rarely works like that. Makes zero sense.
You think Morata had to agree terms with Real Madrid when they bought him back from Juve?? Of course not because if it was up to him he would of rejected whatever terms offered and stayed at Juve. You think Shaw agreed terms before rags executed the option to extend his contract, of course he didn’t because he would of rejected whatever terms offered and left on a free.
Same logic here.
An option for an additional year is completely different to turning a fixed period loan into a permanent deal. If a permanent transfer was agreed at the start of the loan period, it wouldn't be a loan, which is why UEFA are looking at the obligation to buy deals.
So you missed the point. I’m struggling to make it any more simple for you sorry.
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Don't worry about making it simple mate, I have to check against contracts every day of the week and understand full well how both employment contracts and commercial deals work.So you missed the point. I’m struggling to make it any more simple for you sorry.
Lol. Sometimes the static manner of our descriptions here often befuddles me. The "leaves space behind" weakness is not a real thing.If your job is bringing the ball out, how do you do it without leaving space behind you?
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merz
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So you missed the point. I’m struggling to make it any more simple for you sorry.
don't worry about him. you are right. those terms are agreed on beforehand. player can't "back out" if lyon decide to pay the fee, which they will.
Neville Kneville
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If we are so impressed with this guy, I don't understand why we weren't in for him a year ago rather than waiting til we have to fight for him.
Seeing as we have more connections to scouts than Baden Fucking Powell.
Seeing as we have more connections to scouts than Baden Fucking Powell.
don't worry about him. you are right. those terms are agreed on beforehand. player can't "back out" if lyon decide to pay the fee, which they will.
Exactly mate. Lyon will certainly pay it and then likely sell for a quick profit.
If we are so impressed with this guy, I don't understand why we weren't in for him a year ago rather than waiting til we have to fight for him.
Seeing as we have more connections to scouts than Baden Fucking Powell.
Its actually a strategic transfer policy, since our scouts gained the ability to see into the future back in 2014 they've decided we shouldn't buy every new wonderkid we identify until they have had a breakout season, otherwise it would just be unfair.
Honestly mate, what a stupid thing to say. Obviously we didn't rate him last summer and now we do. Even bloody Amiens didn't rate him above 8 million quid.
Neville Kneville
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Its actually a strategic transfer policy, since our scouts gained the ability to see into the future back in 2014 they've decided we shouldn't buy every new wonderkid we identify until they have had a breakout season, otherwise it would just be unfair.
Honestly mate, what a stupid thing to say. Obviously we didn't rate him last summer and now we do. Even bloody Amiens didn't rate him above 8 million quid.
So we're not as good at juging the potential of young players as people keep telling me then & can't actually tell if a player will make it or not when he's playing for the youth team & don't actually know how a player can improve until he is actually given a shot for a while.
Exactly as I've been arguing on here for about ten years.
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PannickAtTheDisco
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So we're not as good at juging the potential of young players as people keep telling me then & can't actually tell if a player will make it or not when he's playing for the youth team & don't actually know how a player can improve until he is actually given a shot for a while.
Exactly as I've been arguing on here for about ten years.
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who can?
kun
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For sure. They'd make a good 300%+ profit though.Is it possible for us to buy him this summer if Lyon buy him from amiens?
Neville Kneville
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who can?
Nobody.
If there was a coach/scout who could look at young players & 'know' which would make it & which wouldn't, they would be worth more than Messi & Ronaldo put together.
All they do is spot the raw talent & try to coach it. Then a lot of different factors decide whether the player advances.
I'm guessing if this guy had been on loan at Oldham, we wouldn't be discussing him. Luckily for him, he found the loan which suited him & got game time in a team which allowed his ability to show through.
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good, it's all City are trying to do as well. And yes, Brandon Barker etc. etc. etc.
Neville Kneville
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good, it's all City are trying to do as well. And yes, Brandon Barker etc. etc. etc.
Douglas Luiz.
PannickAtTheDisco
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Douglas Luiz.
Well its part the wrong club at the wrong time, but also down to him. You can be as talented as you like, you still need to want it.
Like moreno, you have to take the opportunity or you'll end up on half a dozen loans and failing. I dont know how many opportunities or chances city are meant to give these youngsters before people get off their back.