Nedum Onuoha

[Prestwich_Blue]

Well, at least we haven't got a cheese-eating surrender monkey as a manager.

Italians eat cheese and surrender regularly. So we have.

 

[stony]

Well, at least we haven't got a cheese-eating surrender monkey as a manager.

Italians eat cheese and surrender regularly. So we have.

It's gone pasta joke now

 

[Anonymous]

Why? Because it offends your sensibilities that I choose to call him the Italian? Pull the other one.

What's the difference when the media refer to ADUG as "The Arabs" ?

I know where you're going with that one as I remember starting the thread about it. To be honest, there's no difference. The media show their disdain for our owners by calling them the Arabs, and I show my disdain for Mancini by calling him the Italian. I only began doing it earlier in this thread (I think, although I'm on holiday so my have posted it in a red wine haze earlier) - and as I explained earlier in this thread, this situation with Neds has been a bit of a tipping point for me.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of Neds' interview, and whatever the rights and wrongs are of him being sold or moving on to further his career - I refuse to accept that Mancini (there, I used his name!) shouldn't hold some responsibility for the general unrest in the dressing room - and that that unrest isn't a good thing...

 

[Soulboy]

not read the whole thread so apologies if asked before
but why do you persist in calling our manager "the italian"
has he pickpocketed you or something

He's winding up the softies who said it was "racist"

I assume this is aimed at me...

Fisrt of... I'm not a "softy". Does that mean those who fight racism are softies? You've obviously never seen marches by the BNP and the reactions against them.

Second... I would be interested in seeing where I said it was "racist". I said it was offensive, and many people are of the same view.

Thirdly... you clearly have no knowledge of Race legislation and how organisations deal with it. I stated, quite clearly, that in the organisation I work for such comments would be frowned upon and treated as disciplinary matters. That doesn't mean it's "racist".

There are legal definitions for racism. You should learn them.

Or maybe it's not a subject that overly concerns you...<br /><br />-- Mon May 17, 2010 2:00 pm --<br /><br />

What's the difference when the media refer to ADUG as "The Arabs" ?

I know where you're going with that one as I remember starting the thread about it. To be honest, there's no difference. The media show their disdain for our owners by calling them the Arabs, and I show my disdain for Mancini by calling him the Italian. I only began doing it earlier in this thread (I think, although I'm on holiday so my have posted it in a red wine haze earlier) - and as I explained earlier in this thread, this situation with Neds has been a bit of a tipping point for me.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of Neds' interview, and whatever the rights and wrongs are of him being sold or moving on to further his career - I refuse to accept that Mancini (there, I used his name!) shouldn't hold some responsibility for the general unrest in the dressing room - and that that unrest isn't a good thing...

Glory be!

You have finally seen where I have been going with this for the best part of today... and you have recognised that it is offensive.

I'm really glad you recognised it. I always knew your left wing sympathies wouldn't allow you to perservere with it...

 

[BobKowalski]

Maybe then you could refer to him by his name?

Why? Because it offends your sensibilities that I choose to call him the Italian? Pull the other one. You're not that soft-centred that something that tame bothers you.

Anyway, I respect your freedom to hold whatever opinion you choose about the Italian. But calling me a rag or a scouser because my opinion of him and the way he goes about his job is different to yours, is out of order as I said. And the Mike D/Scorer analogy is equally insulting. I haven't got the time or inclination today to go trawling through Bluemoon's archives - but I can tell you quite comfortably that I was excited when Mancini took over and have always had a high opinion of him as a manager. The worst I've called him is a "clown" earlier in this thread. That does not even come close to the Mike D's of this world. Again, something I'm sure you know is true deep down inside.

You know me well enough to know that I'm not about to go running because a few Bluemooners don't like what I've got to say. I'll stand up for myself if people start throwing baseless accusations around...

Personally I couldn't care less what you call Mancini - you can't stand the guy so naturally you refer to him disparagingly although for it to be effective you should mix it up a bit otherwise it just becomes repetitive and dull.

But I do recall you getting a wee bit outraged at the way posters used to refer to Frank and (in your opinion) the racist overtones in some of the posts so don't be too surprised if some people take objection to the 'Italian' jibe.

Just saying :)

 

[Didsbury Dave]

He's winding up the softies who said it was "racist"

I assume this is aimed at me...

Fisrt of... I'm not a "softy". Does that mean those who fight racism are softies? You've obviously never seen marches by the BNP and the reactions against them.

Second... I would be interested in seeing where I said it was "racist". I said it was offensive, and many people are of the same view.

Thirdly... you clearly have no knowledge of Race legislation and how organisations deal with it. I stated, quite clearly, that in the organisation I work for such comments would be frowned upon and treated as disciplinary matters. That doesn't mean it's "racist".

There are legal definitions for racism. You should learn them.

Or maybe it's not a subject that overly concerns you...

Mate, you've really fucked up here. I'm assuming I touched a nerve, and you don't like everyone laughing at you.

I run a company where an in-depth knowledge of all forms of equality in the workplace is essential.

I have sacked and disciplined many many people, and recruited many people, and if I didn't know the law by now I'd be bankrupt.

Oh, and I'm passionately anti-racist.

Calling someone "the Italian" on the internet might be construed by some low-ranking, public sector jobsworth numpty as racist, but in the real world it quite clearly isnt.

 

[persvenality cult]

'mancini' is a person with a mind of his own, and a manager with experience and qualifications.

so let's call him a name and pretend otherwise......

calling him 'the manager' would mean acknowledging his natural authority, that certainly won't do in this situation....

so he's 'the italian', because it comes down to 'local boys' against 'the italian'.

 

[HelloCity]

Onuoha isn't good enough for a side with top 4 aspirations.

 

[Anonymous]

I assume this is aimed at me...

Fisrt of... I'm not a "softy". Does that mean those who fight racism are softies? You've obviously never seen marches by the BNP and the reactions against them.

Second... I would be interested in seeing where I said it was "racist". I said it was offensive, and many people are of the same view.

Thirdly... you clearly have no knowledge of Race legislation and how organisations deal with it. I stated, quite clearly, that in the organisation I work for such comments would be frowned upon and treated as disciplinary matters. That doesn't mean it's "racist".

There are legal definitions for racism. You should learn them.

Or maybe it's not a subject that overly concerns you...

The bottom line is you know as well as I do that me calling him the Italian is no different, in fact much less offensive, than when Hughes, Bowen, et al were referred to as "welsh cunts", which they were on an almost hourly basis on this board for the better part of 12 months.

I don't recall you taking everyone to task and implying racism and bigotry when that was going on - yet you continually drew attention to my calling him the Italian in this thread. If I were more cynical than I am, I could easily draw the inference that you knew by continually pointing it out, others would join your little moral crusade...

 

[Skashion]

so he's 'the italian', because it comes down to 'local boys' against 'the italian'.

vs.

Simply too close to call.