Nedum Onuoha

[dave_blue12]

Aint it interesting that most of the posters on this thread completely ignore the on topic posts that on the whole assert that NED IS NOT FUCKIN GOOD ENOUGH

Thereby ignoring that our Manager is making a perfectly good decision by not playing him.

Ned needs to grow up - nobody owes you anything Ned - you are a very lucky boy to be in the position you're in - further progress has to be earnt - that means impressing the guy employed by the club to manage the team - if you can't do that then you will either have to wait until Mancini is replaced or move on.

Best of luck with your career Ned ;)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

What's that got to do with anything?

try page 2

Look, this thread has moved into classic Bluemoon territory, involving accusations of racism, personal insults and Mancini vs Hughes. Why spoil it?

 

[Manc in London]

Mate, you've really fucked up here. I'm assuming I touched a nerve, and you don't like everyone laughing at you.

I run a company where an in-depth knowledge of all forms of equality in the workplace is essential.

I have sacked and disciplined many many people, and recruited many people, and if I didn't know the law by now I'd be bankrupt.

Oh, and I'm passionately anti-racist.

Calling someone "the Italian" on the internet might be construed by some low-ranking, public sector jobsworth numpty as racist, but in the real world it quite clearly isnt.

Not true.

It is not racist to refer to an individual’s nationality. It’s simply a statement of fact. However, that doesn’t mean you should say it. Would you refer to a poor footballer as ‘that Muslim midfielder’. Would you refer to a member of your staff as ‘that disabled one’? They are facts but in this context they are irrelevant. I notice no-one referred to Nedum as the ‘the black defender’?

In my opinion, I would not refer to Mancini as ‘that Italian’ because I am uncomfortable with it. Just as I dislike our owner being referred to, in a negative context, as ‘the Arabs’. It’s much simpler to make reference to an individual’s name rather than his/her ethnicity.

I have to correct you on your reference to the comment about it being considered by “low-ranking, public sector jobsworth numpty as racist, but in the real world it quite clearly isn’t”. The public sector is subject to far more stringent legislation when it comes to ethnicity. For example, having to complete impact assessments in terms of ethnicity. This is not a choice of public authorities. It is a legal obligation. However, no legislation that covers the work of public authorities would regard this as 'racist'. That is a fact.

What most disaapointed me about your post is your negative reference towards the 'low paid'. You do realise that a lot of Blues are low-paid and from areas of high social and economic deprivation, with a significant proportion of them probably in low-ranking public sector jobs?

 

[Matty]

If Onuoha wants to play more regularly for City then he has to earn that right. Several posters have attested that Onuoha is actually better than some of our other centre-halves, Toure and Lescott for example. Well, that could be true, but unfortunately that's YOUR opinion and, ultimately, it's an irrelevant one. Hughes and Mancini were/are the ones whose opinion mattered, Hughes didn't play Onuoha at first, then he did for a while. Mancini didn't really play Onuoha all that much at all. Onuoha has every right to feel he should be playing, he clearly feels he's good enough, but that opinion is also irrelevant, he'll play when the current management team feel he's the best option they have, until then he'll be a sub at best. If he;'s not happy to wait his turn, or feels his turn will never arrive, then maybe he'll try and negotiate a move elsewhere. It would be a shame to see him go but, ultimately, the City team should be made up of players who are there on merit.

 

[rastus]

Mate, you've really fucked up here. I'm assuming I touched a nerve, and you don't like everyone laughing at you.

I run a company where an in-depth knowledge of all forms of equality in the workplace is essential.

I have sacked and disciplined many many people, and recruited many people, and if I didn't know the law by now I'd be bankrupt.

Oh, and I'm passionately anti-racist.

Calling someone "the Italian" on the internet might be construed by some low-ranking, public sector jobsworth numpty as racist, but in the real world it quite clearly isnt.

Not true.

It is not racist to refer to an individual’s nationality. It’s simply a statement of fact. However, that doesn’t mean you should say it. Would you refer to a poor footballer as ‘that Muslim midfielder’. Would you refer to a member of your staff as ‘that disabled one’? They are facts but in this context they are irrelevant. I notice no-one referred to Nedum as the ‘the black defender’?

In my opinion, I would not refer to Mancini as ‘that Italian’ because I am uncomfortable with it. Just as I dislike our owner being referred to, in a negative context, as ‘the Arabs’. It’s much simpler to make reference to an individual’s name rather than his/her ethnicity.

I have to correct you on your reference to the comment about it being considered by “low-ranking, public sector jobsworth numpty as racist, but in the real world it quite clearly isn’t”. The public sector is subject to far more stringent legislation when it comes to ethnicity. For example, having to complete impact assessments in terms of ethnicity. This is not a choice of public authorities. It is a legal obligation. However, no legislation that covers the work of public authorities would regard this as 'racist'. That is a fact.

What most disaapointed me about your post is your negative reference towards the 'low paid'. You do realise that a lot of Blues are low-paid and from areas of high social and economic deprivation, with a significant proportion of them probably in low-ranking public sector jobs?

Religeon is totally different, thats personal.

 

[tonea2003]

try page 2

Look, this thread has moved into classic Bluemoon territory, involving accusations of racism, personal insults and Mancini vs Hughes. Why spoil it?

but all three points have been done many times before and it is getting tedious
more interested in if we think ned is good enough for city going forward(not on the pitch)
yes i can see the classic territory though

 

[robbieh]

It's all getting very interesting. DD is a successful businessman. de Niro and Tolmie are tories and Billy's drinking claret somewhere in France.

Which is all quite exciting. Well better than hearing the endless bollocks about mancini upsetting everyone and not being able to hold a candle to the managerial genius that was Mark Hughes.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Mate, you've really fucked up here. I'm assuming I touched a nerve, and you don't like everyone laughing at you.

I run a company where an in-depth knowledge of all forms of equality in the workplace is essential.

I have sacked and disciplined many many people, and recruited many people, and if I didn't know the law by now I'd be bankrupt.

Oh, and I'm passionately anti-racist.

Calling someone "the Italian" on the internet might be construed by some low-ranking, public sector jobsworth numpty as racist, but in the real world it quite clearly isnt.

Not true.

It is not racist to refer to an individual’s nationality. It’s simply a statement of fact. However, that doesn’t mean you should say it. Would you refer to a poor footballer as ‘that Muslim midfielder’. Would you refer to a member of your staff as ‘that disabled one’? They are facts but in this context they are irrelevant. I notice no-one referred to Nedum as the ‘the black defender’?

In my opinion, I would not refer to Mancini as ‘that Italian’ because I am uncomfortable with it. Just as I dislike our owner being referred to, in a negative context, as ‘the Arabs’. It’s much simpler to make reference to an individual’s name rather than his/her ethnicity.

I have to correct you on your reference to the comment about it being considered by “low-ranking, public sector jobsworth numpty as racist, but in the real world it quite clearly isn’t”. The public sector is subject to far more stringent legislation when it comes to ethnicity. For example, having to complete impact assessments in terms of ethnicity. This is not a choice of public authorities. It is a legal obligation. However, no legislation that covers the work of public authorities would regard this as 'racist'. That is a fact.

What most disaapointed me about your post is your negative reference towards the 'low paid'. You do realise that a lot of Blues are low-paid and from areas of high social and economic deprivation, with a significant proportion of them probably in low-ranking public sector jobs?

PMSL, so I'm racist and a snob.

This thread has moved into comedy territory.

Anyone else ready to pontificate at me?

Homophobic could be next. Or sexist maybe.

"offended" PMSL

 

[Anonymous]

oh your footwork is good, but it's a silly argument. you lot can convince yourself that the authority of our manager is immaterial, but i don't believe it will ever wash with the majority of onlookers... even nedum's supporters, and I have been one, know inappropriate behaviour when we see it. whoever you are, whatever you do, you don't undermine your boss in public. and it's just basic social skills not to don't discuss other people's problems in public, to get involved in something between them and their boss.... nah, it's just not done. the inappropriateness of it all completely undermines the reliability of what's being said, and to pretend otherwise just really seems a bit desparate.

It's not a silly argument. Your suggestion it was the local lads v the Italian wasn't true, as there are foreigners in the team who have had problems with him also. I also don't need to convince myself that the manager's authority is immaterial, because it isn't. As I said earlier in the thread (which I presume you have read) that Mancini and the club were well within their rights to fine him and/or sell him.

It's one thing to say that Neds' behaviour was inappropriate, and to some extent I will concede you're right. But to then qualify that by suggesting that because it was inappropriate, it undermines the reliability of what he said, is not true - and that's hardly an objective point of view to take. Barton's rant on GMR all those years back was wholly inappropriate, however that's not to say it wasn't true.

 

[BobKowalski]

It's all getting very interesting. DD is a successful businessman. de Niro and Tolmie are tories and Billy's drinking claret somewhere in France.

And no one is sat alone in their bedroom devoid of mates or a girlfriend. Well apart from the ITK's obviously.

Actually I am secretly envious of Billy's lifestyle and if DD is a successful businessman no wonder our economy is f**ked.