Neo-Nazi admits terror plot to murder MP with machete

bluethrunthru said:
are you implying that perhaps people doing manual work and with a lower standard of education are somehow an indicator as to how racist someone could be? Can't say thats my experience and its a dangerous sentiment to express on here..
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Haven't read through all replies but are you generalising that anyone in the building trade has a lower standard of edumacation?
 
bluethrunthru said:
You didn't say stupid you said thick as pigshit or mentally ill - now you widen out the definition? Based on what you know -

Baader Meinhof - terrorist attacks - thick / mentally ill participants or some other motivation?
Black September - Olympic attacks - thick / mentally ill or some other motivation?
IRA - Brighton Bombing - thick / mentally ill or some other motivation?
Jack Renshaw - the subject of this thread and his evil plans - bear in mind his defence has offered nothing in mitigation in terms of his intelligence or his mental state was he acting because he was mentally ill or thick as pigshit in your considered opinion?

and these two charmers?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-44467055

are they thick as pig shit or mentally ill - again not a defence tactic at the trial - maybe you missed your calling?
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Regardless of motivation wether religious political or moral you really must be a bit radio rental or stupid to think killing someone is the way forward
 
stonerblue said:
I'd like to invite you to spend a day with me mooching round my post industrial Manchester suburb. I guarantee you will hear 'open harrasment' and intolerance of immigrants in every pub we visit. The UK you describe is but a dream.
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I have spent time mooching around some pretty run down areas in Britain.
If you think that's what counts as "open harassment", you really have no clue.
 
asaluttar said:
I have spent time mooching around some pretty run down areas in Britain.
If you think that's what counts as "open harassment", you really have no clue.
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Oh look, another poster who can't have a discussion without resorting to put-downs.

Would you say that a Pakistani, upon entering a pub has, 'fuck off you Paki twat' shouted at him is 'open harassment'? Or a young woman in a hijab being told to 'Fuck off back where you came from' by a complete stranger in a shopping centre?
Or even a woman and her 3 kids being attacked in the street by 2 people shouting racist remarks whilst hospitalising (she's still critical) her?
 
stonerblue said:
Oh look, another poster who can't have a discussion without resorting to put-downs.

Would you say that a Pakistani, upon entering a pub has, 'fuck off you Paki twat' shouted at him is 'open harassment'? Or a young woman in a hijab being told to 'Fuck off back where you came from' by a complete stranger in a shopping centre?
Or even a woman and her 3 kids being attacked in the street by 2 people shouting racist remarks whilst hospitalising (she's still critical) her?
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Isolated incidents and not widespread which is also the same if white people go into predominantly Asian areas, knuckle draggers from both communities will (shock horror) act like knuckle draggers, you’ve mentioned the terrible attack on that poor lady a couple of times and I hope the perpetrators get real jail time but not one mention of the 17 year old rugby player from littlebourgh who was purposely ran over and then smashed over the head with a golf club by up to 5 Asian lads fracturing his skull (he’s still in hospital) but then again you won’t mention that as it doesn’t fit your agenda of only highlighting racial abuse of white on asian
 
hilts said:
Stupidity isn’t a defence so you’re talking bollocks even typing it. How can I accept anything you have yet to give me a terrorist action that wasn’t stupid.
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Terrorist attacks aren't inherently stupid.

One of the uncomfortable truths about the world is that many terrorist attacks achieve their aims and sometimes their ultimate end goal. Emmeline Pankhurst is an example of terrorism being an effective tool for social change. Probably a bunch of others too.
 
Tanzeylee said:
Isolated incidents and not widespread which is also the same if white people go into predominantly Asian areas, knuckle draggers from both communities will (shock horror) act like knuckle draggers, you’ve mentioned the terrible attack on that poor lady a couple of times and I hope the perpetrators get real jail time but not one mention of the 17 year old rugby player from littlebourgh who was purposely ran over and then smashed over the head with a golf club by up to 5 Asian lads fracturing his skull (he’s still in hospital) but then again you won’t mention that as it doesn’t fit your agenda of only highlighting racial abuse of white on asian
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Not widespread?? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ome-office-europeans-xenophobia-a8004716.html

If memory serves me right we had a thread on the rugby lads attack. I also got a rake of facebook shares about the story yet not one about the Bolton attack. Despite your assertion regarding my 'agenda' their's a reason i haven't mentioned the Littleborough incident, and that's that nobody has been charged and i don't know the facts for sure.
 
stonerblue said:
Not widespread?? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ome-office-europeans-xenophobia-a8004716.html

If memory serves me right we had a thread on the rugby lads attack. I also got a rake of facebook shares about the story yet not one about the Bolton attack. Despite your assertion regarding my 'agenda' their's a reason i haven't mentioned the Littleborough incident, and that's that nobody has been charged and i don't know the facts for sure.
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Just rumours then

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-44358514

And the ‘hate crimes’ spike was due to different ways of reporting them many were dismissed
 
Damocles said:
Terrorist attacks aren't inherently stupid.

One of the uncomfortable truths about the world is that many terrorist attacks achieve their aims and sometimes their ultimate end goal. Emmeline Pankhurst is an example of terrorism being an effective tool for social change. Probably a bunch of others too.
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You’re making an assumption that the most extreme action ie attempts to kill people will speed up the end goal. In the case you state you have no evidence for this whatsoever. Most action taken by them was on property and other measures. If they had murdered someone that would have likely been detrimental to their cause and resulted in the perpetrator hanging. That would make them stupid. Losing sympathy and dying in the process isn’t very bright.

What was this latest morons ultimate aims? If he had succeeded killing the woman pray tell what difference it would make apart from the length of his prison sentence.

Like I said mentally ill or thick as pig shit you choose.
 
arbabarshad said:
Do you have any evidence for this statement?
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See below.
Let me know if you also need evidence for the almost complete elimination of the 15% of minorities in West Pakistan, the kashmir pandit genocide or the 2 million Hindus raped and or murdered in Bangladesh 1971


ww.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/features/2014/08/forced-conversions-torment-pakistan-hindus-201481795524630505.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/536238/

https://www.republicworld.com/amp/w...an-forcefully-converted-to-islam.html?v=5.8.6

https://www.dawn.com/news/1345304

http://theconversation.com/forced-c...stan-make-a-mockery-of-its-constitution-80420

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-29008267/stories-of-forced-conversion-to-islam-in-pakistan

https://www.voanews.com/amp/pakistan-sikh-minority-forced-conversion/4177063.html

http://www.tribuneindia.com/mobi/ne...-being-forced-to-convert-to-islam/514699.html
 
stonerblue said:
Oh look, another poster who can't have a discussion without resorting to put-downs.

Would you say that a Pakistani, upon entering a pub has, 'fuck off you Paki twat' shouted at him is 'open harassment'? Or a young woman in a hijab being told to 'Fuck off back where you came from' by a complete stranger in a shopping centre?
Or even a woman and her 3 kids being attacked in the street by 2 people shouting racist remarks whilst hospitalising (she's still critical) her?
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Thats all?
So how many of them were raped, murdered, forced to convert to Christianity, forced to flee the country they were born in?

Anything less than that doesn't even register as harassment if you are a minority in the countries your "victims" "came from.
 
asaluttar said:
See below.
Let me know if you also need evidence for the almost complete elimination of the 15% of minorities in West Pakistan, the kashmir pandit genocide or the 2 million Hindus raped and or murdered in Bangladesh 1971


ww.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/features/2014/08/forced-conversions-torment-pakistan-hindus-201481795524630505.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/536238/

https://www.republicworld.com/amp/w...an-forcefully-converted-to-islam.html?v=5.8.6

https://www.dawn.com/news/1345304

http://theconversation.com/forced-c...stan-make-a-mockery-of-its-constitution-80420

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-29008267/stories-of-forced-conversion-to-islam-in-pakistan

https://www.voanews.com/amp/pakistan-sikh-minority-forced-conversion/4177063.html

http://www.tribuneindia.com/mobi/ne...-being-forced-to-convert-to-islam/514699.html
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You have no awareness of what you wrote and what evidence you are producing ! Can you quote a law that allows what you stated ?
And don't give me news articles, they are not reporting what is legal or not legal, they are reporting an incident that took place.

By your logic, it is legal in UK to kill MPs who support a particular narrative. It is legal in uk to rape and kill women and throw them in parks, it is legal in US to shoot hundreds of kids at a school. It is legal in India to gang rape Muslim girls !!!
 
arbabarshad said:
You have no awareness of what you wrote and what evidence you are producing ! Can you quote a law that allows what you stated ?
And don't give me news articles, they are not reporting what is legal or not legal, they are reporting an incident that took place.

By your logic, it is legal in UK to kill MPs who support a particular narrative. It is legal in uk to rape and kill women and throw them in parks, it is legal in US to shoot hundreds of kids at a school. It is legal in India to gang rape Muslim girls !!!
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No, because in these one off cases, the person who killed the mp, the school shooter, culprits in rape cases in India (irrespective of religion of rapist, which in most cases is "Asian") are caught and jailed - because there are written laws, and because even without those laws common humanity deems such acts evil.

Whereas three things stand out with the mass forced rape / conversions
1. The sheer scale and barbarity
2. The fact that there was no punishment or social disgust - clearly the perpetrators and their community see nothing wrong or evil in what they do
3. There are no laws that seem rape-conversion of minors illegal, and even when such a law was attempted...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/trib...hs-bill-forced-conversion-gathers-dust/?amp=1
 
asaluttar said:
No, because in these one off cases, the person who killed the mp, the school shooter, culprits in rape cases in India (irrespective of religion of rapist, which in most cases is "Asian") are caught and jailed - because there are written laws, and because even without those laws common humanity deems such acts evil.

Whereas three things stand out with the mass forced rape / conversions
1. The sheer scale and barbarity
2. The fact that there was no punishment or social disgust - clearly the perpetrators and their community see nothing wrong or evil in what they do
3. There are no laws that seem rape-conversion of minors illegal, and even when such a law was attempted...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/tribune.com.pk/story/1395255/five-months-bill-forced-conversion-gathers-dust/?amp=1
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Do you know what would be easier, delete your misinformed post than coming up with bullshit !
 
stonerblue said:
Not widespread?? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ome-office-europeans-xenophobia-a8004716.html

If memory serves me right we had a thread on the rugby lads attack. I also got a rake of facebook shares about the story yet not one about the Bolton attack. Despite your assertion regarding my 'agenda' their's a reason i haven't mentioned the Littleborough incident, and that's that nobody has been charged and i don't know the facts for sure.
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What happened in Littleborough? Used to live in Smithy Bridge
 
Tanzeylee said:
Just rumours then

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-44358514

And the ‘hate crimes’ spike was due to different ways of reporting them many were dismissed
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No, not rumours at all. Nobody has been charged yet though and so far only one side of the story is known.
If you don't wanna believe there's been a huge rise in hate crime then fair enough, the facts on the other hand tell a different story.
 
stonerblue said:
No, not rumours at all. Nobody has been charged yet though and so far only one side of the story is known.
If you don't wanna believe there's been a huge rise in hate crime then fair enough, the facts on the other hand tell a different story.
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You keep your head buried in the sand.


Manipulated facts.
 
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