New “UEFA Financial Sustainability” rules

BeerIsTheBest said:
the sponsorship fair value mechanism Is yet to play out.
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That is so hard for anyone to assess though.

Take Etihad Airways, how many people had heard of them before they sponsored us?
My sister lives in the States and said the same thing, but now their name is known all over and it's associated with us as we're on TV every week there.

For Etihad, i would've thought the publicity they've received, has got to be worth the money they've spent.
 
Legal Alien said:
That is so hard for anyone to assess though.

Take Etihad Airways, how many people had heard of them before they sponsored us?
My sister lives in the States and said the same thing, but now their name is known all over and it's associated with us as we're on TV every week there.

For Etihad, i would've thought the publicity they've received, has got to be worth the money they've spent.
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Legal Alien

I agree it’s almost impossible. But if the ‘committee’ who make the judgements are led by the istory boys then decisions are made, appeals follow and it becomes another part of the game to make our life a bit more difficult.
 
BeerIsTheBest said:
Legal Alien

I agree it’s almost impossible. But if the ‘committee’ who make the judgements are led by the istory boys then decisions are made, appeals follow and it becomes another part of the game to make our life a bit more difficult.
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Yeah i know mate.
I just hope our counter argument can use Etihad as an example and if we have financial facts backing it up, then all the better.
 
ancoats said:
We must be squeaky clean, or we would have been found out long ago, so I don't see how any new rule makes Manchester city lose any sleep, also having pep on board gives us another stick to beat them with because he knows the dirty on the big 2 Spanish clubs and told Barcelona chairman to be careful what you say,

Manchester city generate our own money now and the club turn over is one of the best in Europe, plus we have the added joker card of being debt free, we all knew FFP and UEFA were looking in past revenue and tried to make something stick,

I see it as everybody of the elite clubs are bent to the core, but we hold a couple of joker cards in pep and knowing stuff about Barcelona and Spanish football having Liverpool settle out of court after being found out they were taping into our accounts,

it's better having some shit on others for back up
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I wish I could share your positivity on this, and did used to, but I’ve been stung too many times with it.

The PL FFP investigation hangs over the club like a dark cloud, with too many vested interests from our rivals to let it lie. You’ve got the president of La Liga openly stating more has to be done to regulate ‘state’ clubs in football, to name but two examples of potential issues/damages to our business model & brand on the horizon. They will always be out to get us, and we have to box clever, or they will.
 
BeerIsTheBest said:
Legal Alien

I agree it’s almost impossible. But if the ‘committee’ who make the judgements are led by the istory boys then decisions are made, appeals follow and it becomes another part of the game to make our life a bit more difficult.
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No chance of anything coming out of this. If they had anything tangible on City it would have been released by now if not years ago.

It has not been ended because no-one knows how to tell Liverpool.
 
Citizen Green said:
I wish I could share your positivity on this, and did used to, but I’ve been stung too many times with it.

The PL FFP investigation hangs over the club like a dark cloud, with too many vested interests from our rivals to let it lie. You’ve got the president of La Liga openly stating more has to be done to regulate ‘state’ clubs in football, to name but two examples of potential issues/damages to our business model & brand on the horizon. They will always be out to get us, and we have to box clever, or they will.
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If they had anything concrete, you think they would have not done something about it already
FFP is in the past and world football is on its knee still because of covid-19, so stopping outside investment will only make things harder, football needs Manchester city owners' money it's what make's thing's tic ? Let's not forget where our money goes with transfer fees to other clubs, it's a merry-go-round

the best way to take on somebody that is challenging you is to fight them head, not moan and run for help and ask for silly rules changes.

The Premier League have one of the best young world talent playing for one of its club in Haaland
does that not make selling TV rights around the world much better for them ? so why punish manchester city
 
Legal Alien said:
That is so hard for anyone to assess though.

Take Etihad Airways, how many people had heard of them before they sponsored us?
My sister lives in the States and said the same thing, but now their name is known all over and it's associated with us as we're on TV every week there.

For Etihad, i would've thought the publicity they've received, has got to be worth the money they've spent.
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Absolutely. When Qatar Airways sponsored the weather report on Sky News, their brand awareness rocketed by 70%. And that's just on a UK channel. Being seen globally, as the leading PL clubs are, must have done even more for Etihad.
 
We know why these rules are constantly being rewritten. The greatest asset our club could have is experts in this field as they will be constantly trying to catch us out.
 
Legal Alien said:
That is so hard for anyone to assess though.

Take Etihad Airways, how many people had heard of them before they sponsored us?
My sister lives in the States and said the same thing, but now their name is known all over and it's associated with us as we're on TV every week there.

For Etihad, i would've thought the publicity they've received, has got to be worth the money they've spent.
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A good example. Only Etihad know what it is worth to them, but the experts will compare similar deals. Senseless in my view.
 
I think we have had so many issues that we automatically think it is aimed at us.

However, I think it is aimed at Newcastle
 
Fuzzy80 said:
I think we have had so many issues that we automatically think it is aimed at us.

However, I think it is aimed at Newcastle
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Very true. City are way past that point and have been for seven or eight years.

It may be primarily aimed at Newcastle United but also any other club with potential such as Everton, Villa, Leeds, etc being taken over by someone with serious resources.
 
JGL07 said:
Very true. City are way past that point and have been for seven or eight years.

It may be primarily aimed at Newcastle United but also any other club with potential such as Everton, Villa, Leeds, etc being taken over by someone with serious resources.
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Honestly, I think it is a fairly balanced set of proposals. I don't think we can say it is aimed at us any more than any other established club. If it was aimed at us, they could have included restrictions on multiple club ownerships, and not have favoured equity investment over borrowings.

Developing clubs may have a problem, but the allowable losses have increased (and investments in infrastructure, youth football and women's football can still be made) as long as they are supported by equity, so owners with money can hopefully develop a club.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Honestly, I think it is a fairly balanced set of proposals. I don't think we can say it is aimed at us any more than any other established club. If it was aimed at us, they could have included restrictions on multiple club ownerships, and not have favoured equity investment over borrowings.

Developing clubs may have a problem, but the allowable losses have increased (and investments in infrastructure, youth football and women's football can still be made) as long as they are supported by equity, so owners with money can hopefully develop a club.
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Far from being aimed at us, it’s aims are to help the cartel fight against us (PSG & others) with the increase to losses etc, dressed up as help through the pandemic, they didn’t have any other choice, now we have arrived & posting profits the easiest way to combat us is to allow clubs to spend more by running up more debt, they’ve done nothing to regulate debt & leveraged buy-outs
 
Jesus H Gabz said:
Far from being aimed at us, it’s aims are to help the cartel fight against us (PSG & others) with the increase to losses etc, dressed up as help through the pandemic, they didn’t have any other choice, now we have arrived & posting profits the easiest way to combat us is to allow clubs to spend more by running up more debt, they’ve done nothing to regulate debt & leveraged buy-outs
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The debt payments go against FFP calculations, so any debt needs to be affordable in theory.

Debt is normal with business and doesn’t necessarily show a bad model. As is owner investment.

However Covid did show how current turnover cannot always be taken for granted and La Liga did show their teeth on this with Barca (especially when we expected them to ignore it to keep Messi in).

What would you have suggested they do.
 
Fuzzy80 said:
The debt payments go against FFP calculations, so any debt needs to be affordable in theory.

Debt is normal with business and doesn’t necessarily show a bad model. As is owner investment.

However Covid did show how current turnover cannot always be taken for granted and La Liga did show their teeth on this with Barca (especially when we expected them to ignore it to keep Messi in).

What would you have suggested they do.
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I think they should of made leveraged buyouts time sensitive, with a limit on how long you saddle a club with debt. As you say covid highlighted many things around the financials in football as does the lack of CL football, the Rags have suffered with both, instead of paying for their mismanagement they will be given a leg up as they are good for viewing figures etc. long term la liga have done the right thing for their league, basically seeing the error of their ways, they had to be seen to do something, but we are talking about a governing body in Uefa doing less
 
Financial sustainability while PSG is buying WITHOUT any selling:
Nuno Mendes 40M€
Vitinha 40M€
Skriniar 70M€
Renato Sanches 30M€
Scamacca 45m€

But City is the biggest enemy of football!
 
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