New Dr Who

My first Doctor was Jon Pertwee . I love the so called NuWho . Jodie Whitaker is a fine actor and doh g a great job . Thought tonight’s episode was very good.
 
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flyer said:
I.ve watched Dr Who since the mid sixties and enjoyed most of the doctors, except Sylvestor McCoy who was abysmal.

But this Whiticar woman takes it down to new levels of crap and is only there to give some twat in the BBC a tick in the 'lets promote females' box. Dr Who is a time 'LORD' the clue is in the word.

Now it seems the worst comedian in the world John Bishop is joining the cast. Must be for his 'A' rating as an actor

FFS get back to the brilliant series of Eccleston, Tennant, Smith and Capaldi and lose this tick box mentality.

BTW the same goes for women on football commentaries and Match of the Day etc. Absolutely crap
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Capaldi is a fine actor but his storylines were abysmal, the reason I stopped watching it. The show needs another hiatus, it's a good concept but the first run ran out of steam around Tom Baker's time (15 yrs) and that was in a much less demanding era, this run should have stopped about 5 years ago at least. Think it peaked with the John Hurt "War Doctor" storyline.

They should do movies now as a full reboot - let Netflix or someone like that produce them.
 
As a sci-fi fan I still do watch this even though it has really not been great for a while now through no fault of the actor but the scripts.

I woun't blame whittiker who is a decent actress, I would blame the shite she is given to perform.

Much like capaldis run the scripts are awful, though at least capaldi didn't have a showrunner as shite as chibnal who has already been responsible for some of the worst episodes since it was rebooted.

This whole retcon of the charactor and putting her with boring companions whose stories I didn't care about has been wank.

Capaldi was actually a great version of the doctor but he was also given a lot of shit scripts

The stupid thing is the Jo Martin doctor they threw in to help change his/her origins story was scripted more like the doctor is and was perfect in performamce and charactor, so they could easily have wrote whittaker better than she has been.

Casting john bishop is typical beeb, but again it will all be dependant on the character they write him as.
 
Its dire now.

We have an alien artifact!

Want me to put it in an artic and transport it myself to our other base?

Sure. Knock yourself out. What could go wrong.


And then John Bishop. Announced like its a huge coup, a big reveal, oh wow? Good for him?

I have no idea why I watched it. Expecting better I suppose. They even made Capt Jack appear normal. Dulled down to not excite the masses or to deflect away from the dullard cast. Surely the dullest of them all, Yaz, got even more dull. Cheer up love for christs sake.

It was 5 out of 10. A generous 5 at that.
 
You do know its a children's programme . I watch it myself and it was one of the few programmes we used to watch all together with the children in fact can’t think of any other. And enjoy it. But really it’s not to be taken so seriously.
 
urban genie said:
As a sci-fi fan I still do watch this even though it has really not been great for a while now through no fault of the actor but the scripts.

I woun't blame whittiker who is a decent actress, I would blame the shite she is given to perform.

Much like capaldis run the scripts are awful, though at least capaldi didn't have a showrunner as shite as chibnal who has already been responsible for some of the worst episodes since it was rebooted.

This whole retcon of the charactor and putting her with boring companions whose stories I didn't care about has been wank.

Capaldi was actually a great version of the doctor but he was also given a lot of shit scripts

The stupid thing is the Jo Martin doctor they threw in to help change his/her origins story was scripted more like the doctor is and was perfect in performamce and charactor, so they could easily have wrote whittaker better than she has been.

Casting john bishop is typical beeb, but again it will all be dependant on the character they write him as.
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A Scouse, tax dodging painter and decorator.

Playing himself as usual.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Doctor Who was at it best when Tennant and Ecclestone were in it. Can’t be bothered with it now.
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Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
how long before Carragher 'n Neville get walk on parts?
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Carragher will play a spitting creature, and Neville will play the part of an annoying twat sidekick, telling all and sundry how to fly the TARDIS. After weeks of putting up with his whinning, the Doctor will finally crack, screaming
"All right, clever arse. If you think you know better, YOU fly the fucking thing"
Straight away, he'll ditch it in the sea.


P.S. I've not watched Doctor Who in nearly 40 years
 
I've watched Doctor Who since Tom Baker in the mid 70s. It was a kids show but at it's best enjoyed by the whole family. The first 3 T Baker seasons are full of classic monsters and iconic moments. But it was all underpinned by strong writing and directing and casting the best actors available. People who'd do Doctor Who followed by Butterflies maybe a Play for Today then say I Claudius. The point is actors at the top of their game taking it seriously.

Then in 1977 Star Wars happened and that changed what viewers expected of Sci Fi. As an example the Best Oscar for Special Effects went to Logan's Run in 76. In 77 it went to Star Wars and the effects were as different as night and day.
By the 80s Doctor Who looked tired not helped by in my opinion the miscasting of Peter Davison Colin Baker (bit of a self important twat according to ex bar staff at the Lowery) and Sylvester McCoy. Tom Baker had done National Theatre with Olivier films like Nicholas and Alexandra/Golden Voyage of Sinbad before being cast. Davison was famous as secondary character Tristram in All Creatures Great and Small; Colin Baker had a villainous role in The Brothers in the early 70s; McCoy by contrast was famous for Vision On/Tiswas(as phantom pie flinger) and putting ferrets down his trousers! No surprise then that the quality deteriorated during the 80s. By 1989 it was scheduled against Corrie and averaging less than 5 million viewers a week. It was quietly dropped.

The conundrum for the Beeb was that Doctor Who made far more money for them than it cost to produce so they began to commercially exploit it in the 90s with videos and books. The Paul Mcgann telefilm was a success in the UK in 1996 but not for the American backers. Eventually in 2003 Russell T Davies who'd made his name with Hollyoaks Queer as Folk and other tv projects talked BBC Wales into resurrecting the series with Eccleston which was a critical and commercial success.

For me at that time it was great that kids were talking about the daleks and the Tardis just as when I was a kid.one reason Eccleston only did one series was cos of the overbearing commercial reasons behind the show.

But the series went on to greater heights with Tennant who was a huge fan of the original series. I would argue that RTDs background in soap storylines really did the show no favours.

In the 60s 70s and 80s the Doctor was an explorer in Time AND Space. He wasn't human but he was always humane brave not cruel. Personally this is the core of the show's original appeal in that you had a heroic character who didn't use a gun and only used violence in self defence. The Doctor was a positive male role model in the says that you had the Sweeney or the Professionals as well as any number of maverick cops driving eccentric cars solving crimes. One of the original ideas behind Doctor Who from Head of Series Sydney Newman was to create a heroic character like Sherlock Holmes or Gandalf. Newman was also responsible for creating The Avengers one of the great British shows of the 60s.

Anyway Tennant was followed by Smith he kept up the ratings but with more challenging storylines from Steven Moffat. He was replaced by another great actor in Peter Capaldi. Utterly brilliant in The Thick of It. He was unpopular and ratings dived. Not because he was bad but very poor scripts that thought they were cleverer than they actually were.

By contrast in the glory days of the early to mid 70s you had writers like Terrance Dicks and Robert Holmes. These guys had written for a variety of programmes including Crossroads Moonbase 3, Knight Errant, Shoestring, Bergerac the Nightmare Man etc. They understood the importance of casting and who it had to be integrated into powerful scripts and dynamic direction.

As a longterm fan I can watch dvds of Hartnell or Troughton or Pertwee as well as the other Doctors as they all have classic adventures that bear rewatching. What's telling is that although I've bought dvds of the revival upto Capaldi I can't recall the last time I rewatched most of them.
I did disagree with Whittakers casting feeling as I've said that it was a rare positive role model. However she was a capable actress particularly in Attack the Block and had excellent reviews in Broadchurch. So I was prepared to give her a chance. It's been an unmitigated disaster. The Doctor feels utterly peripheral with her 'fam' taking centre stage. In many respects she's almost like a companion for Doctor Graham played by Bradley Walsh. Walsh is a decent actor in Law & Order, Corrie and he's been ok in Doctor Who. But the show is about the Doctor the rest are his companions there to ask him questions to advance the plot and to be rescued when required. But these ones are just so forgettable that you simply have no emotional connection. That's criminal when you think the format is literally something that you should be able to tell grand stories on. All of the 2005 onwards series have been primarily Earth set and the whole notion of time travel now merely exists so the Doctor can do whatever she likes with no consequences. In the original series Hartnell proclaimed 'You can't change history not one line!'

I think there's a lot to be said for things always being better as a kid, but when you consider the international attention the money involved as well as the talent then the present show is pretty poor. The news that John f***king Bishop is joining the show is just a complete pisstake.

There are plenty of different eras for everyone to enjoy it's just that I prefer the homely charm of the original series to the technically superior but utterly soulless revival.

If you want to rediscover classic Doctors try stories between 63 - 89; I would also recommend The Sarah Jane Adventures which starred the late Elizabeth Sladen. She was arguably the most popular of the original companions. In 1981 she got her own spinoff show K9 & Company of which only a pilot was made.Typically when screened at Christmas 1981 there was a transmitter failure in the North West so I never saw it originally. At least she had a 2nd bite at the cherry and became even more popular with a new generation of kids. Although the Sarah Jane Adventures was a kids show it felt a lot more similar in tone to the original series and is certainly worth a look.

I suspect Doctor Who will be rested very soon and I don't think there's much argument sadly. In the meantime increasing amounts of lost stories from the 60s are being done as animations so I guess the future's the past !
 
Every time I’ve ever seen it, on in the background of grandparents houses or stuff like that, it’s look terrible.

Not for me.
 
waspish said:
Used to love it but when tenant went it went down hill for me.
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I was always a bit meh on tenant at the time, I think partially because he came after Eccleston who, for me has still been one of the best of the rebooted doctors and also because they did the whole love story bit.

Not that I am saying the doctor cannot fall for someone as we know he had a grand daughter so must have had kids, but I much prefere how moffat did it with River Song, where it was mainly implied and she was in and out of the show so the focus was on the doctor and the weekly story/series arc not them two.

Looking back tenant was a very good doctor and I didn't mind smith, but Capaldi was probably the most classic doctor like but let down by terrible storylines
 
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