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If this lot give labour a slapping from the left and reform give the tories a hiding from the right then its all good for me

lab/con; far too comfortable for too many years, holding the population in utter contempt.
 
well if nothing else it shoots Farage's fox - his mob are no longer the fastest growing nor largest Party in British Politics. Just checked his little ticker thing but they are down to 225k members now - Uncle Nige is Bigly Mad

 
Bluesince1979 said:
If this lot give labour a slapping from the left and reform give the tories a hiding from the right then its all good for me

lab/con; far too comfortable for too many years, holding the population in utter contempt.
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Too right wing for me, I'm further left than Uncle Joe. But we know the fascist right wing media will go full propaganda against them as they did Corbyn's Labour. We'll get all this anti semite bullshit. I wish them well.
 
Interesting bit of polling, suggesting that the Green party could really suffer from this.

Obviously hypotheticals have a history of being almost always wrong, but the same company's regular polling had the Greens on 37% with Gen Z. There's talk today of pacts between the two, but if their vote overlaps so heavily, that might not mean much.

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remember arthur mann said:
Too right wing for me, I'm further left than Uncle Joe. But we know the fascist right wing media will go full propaganda against them as they did Corbyn's Labour. We'll get all this anti semite bullshit. I wish them well.
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My feelings are that labcon need a slapping. Only way forward for the country

Starmer isnt labour
Badenoch isnt tory
 
Don't know if it's been said (guess maybe it has) but impressive though the numbers of sign ups are, were they to have charged say £25 a pop, it would doubtless be tiny fraction of the numbers.
 
M18CTID said:
If this ultimately gives Reform an in then I think that could be the worst possible outcome for just about all of us. Give me a competent Labour or Tory government over Reform any day of the week so no, I don't think it's in our interests to want Labour to implode just as it wasn't in our interests to want the Tories to implode.
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I have to say, having never liked Farage at all, I've been holding my nose thinking I'd have to vote Reform. But some of the ludicrous policy suggestions he's making and his obvious pandering to any faction he thinks he can get votes from, is seriously off-putting. Right now though he remains the only option for anyone who's not left wing.

And I cannot see the Tories coming back from where they are now in 4 years, maybe not ever.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I have to say, having never liked Farage at all, I've been holding my nose thinking I'd have to vote Reform. But some of the ludicrous policy suggestions he's making and his obvious pandering to any faction he thinks he can get votes from, is seriously off-putting. Right now though he remains the only option for anyone who's not left wing.

And I cannot see the Tories coming back from where they are now in 4 years, maybe not ever.
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Have to disagree on this. Many of those occupying the centre ground won't touch Reform with an elongated bargepole, and I'm one of them. I also had an interesting conversation with a mate when we were all on a night out last week. He's the most well off out of all of us and has voted Conservative a lot in the past. Despite the fact that he might do well out of it, he's absolutely dreading the idea of a Reform government - probably because he feels that any short-term gain he gets out of it will give way to a lot of long-term pain. So no, they're not the only option for anyone who's not left wing, especially as the Lib Dems are still around and are often a safe haven for disaffected Tory voters.

I'd also add that Reform are picking up votes from Labour as well as the Tories. They certainly picked up more votes from Labour than any other party in my constituency at the last general election which adds another complex layer to the idea that it's only those with far-right tendencies who are falling for their bullshit. Farage is selling this idea to many of those who are less well off that they'll do well with him as PM, and so far he's been pretty successful. Then again, if you're telling people that you're going to stop the boats, put an extra £1500 in the pocket of pretty much every full-time worker each year, and reduce crime by 50% while employing an extra 30,000 police officers then there's arguably something in there for almost every voter. The fact that none of those things are likely to become a reality under a Reform government, however, seems to be lost on some.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
Don't know if it's been said (guess maybe it has) but impressive though the numbers of sign ups are, were they to have charged say £25 a pop, it would doubtless be tiny fraction of the numbers.
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It’s classic glib lefty behaviour, celebrating people signing up to a mailing list.

Meanwhile there’s no name for the party, no architecture outlined or any set of objectives, because that’s too much like hard work. We’ll do a that another day, even though we’ve had years to think about it.

Still, if it speeds up the inevitable fragmentation of the left, then I’m all for it.
 
M18CTID said:
Have to disagree on this. Many of those occupying the centre ground won't touch Reform with an elongated bargepole, and I'm one of them. I also had an interesting conversation with a mate when we were all on a night out last week. He's the most well off out of all of us and has voted Conservative a lot in the past. Despite the fact that he might do well out of it, he's absolutely dreading the idea of a Reform government - probably because he feels that any short-term gain he gets out of it will give way to a lot of long-term pain. So no, they're not the only option for anyone who's not left wing, especially as the Lib Dems are still around and are often a safe haven for disaffected Tory voters.

I'd also add that Reform are picking up votes from Labour as well as the Tories. They certainly picked up more votes from Labour than any other party in my constituency at the last general election which adds another complex layer to the idea that it's only those with far-right tendencies who are falling for their bullshit. Farage is selling this idea to many of those who are less well off that they'll do well with him as PM, and so far he's been pretty successful. Then again, if you're telling people that you're going to stop the boats, put an extra £1500 in the pocket of pretty much every full-time worker each year, and reduce crime by 50% while employing an extra 30,000 police officers then there's arguably something in there for almost every voter. The fact that none of those things are likely to become a reality under a Reform government, however, seems to be lost on some.
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I can't vote LibDem mate, not whilst they persevere with the net zero economic wrecking ball nonsense. Not that it would make any difference - they can't win anyway.

The options are Labour (I'd genuinely rather stick pins in my eyes) or Reform.

Hopefully there may be a possibility of some kind of Reform - Tory pact come 2029, but I can't see it. Farage feels burned after the last pact and he's got it into his head that he is going to be the next PM and I don't see any chance of him doing a deal.

I think it's going to come down to a choice between Angela Rayner or Nigel Farage. God help us all.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I have to say, having never liked Farage at all, I've been holding my nose thinking I'd have to vote Reform. But some of the ludicrous policy suggestions he's making and his obvious pandering to any faction he thinks he can get votes from, is seriously off-putting. Right now though he remains the only option for anyone who's not left wing.

And I cannot see the Tories coming back from where they are now in 4 years, maybe not ever.
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Don't vote for any of them
 
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