New UEFA coefficient rules are BS

[mcfcvideos]

That's the whole point of the coefficient system.

It maintains the status quo, which it was designed to do.

If it maintains the status quo why are the co-efficient points the same for the Europa League and the Champions League?

Giving equal points for EL games gives "smaller" clubs an opportunity to move up the rankings.

 

[Corky]

Being and English club we benefit form he coefficient system.

Our record in Europe from most other leagues would have seen us in Pot 3 or 4.

 

[ratburger]

Even if City had been placed in Pot 1 this year, they still could've ended up with a group containing Valencia, Juventus, and Dortmund. Last year, City, the PL champions (the bestest league around, as the Sky commentators spend 5 minutes of every match attesting to), should've been capable of beating Napoli at least once, a team that finished 4th in the supposedly second-rate Serie A. Nor is this the Ajax of yester-year, if City can't beat a team roughly on par with a Fulham or Sunderland, then they have no place in the knockout stages of the CL. Sure, City have been really unlucky with the CL draws, but the performances so far haven't been good enough either.

 

[Damanino]

Coeff points:

It counts the last 5 years always so we have one bad year and it makes it bad for many years:

08-09:20
09-10:3.5
10-11:16.5
11-12:20
and this year 6.3 only so far. (They add up the 5 years points and that gives the final order between teams)

Last year we got 20 points for getting 10 points in the CL and beating Porto and Sporting at least home in EL.
But that 3.5 point year is from 09/10 when we were not in Europe after Hughes first season. When that will go out from calculation we can get maybe higher to Pot 1 but only in that case if get around 20 points until that this season and next season.

For 20 coeff. points we have to what we did last year basically. Some win in the CL and some win in the EL but nothing special. (They give good points for EL wins too.)

A fantastic CL/EL run means 30-35 points but it means at least semi final.
We wont even get 10 points actually if we finish behind Ajax this year it will mean we wont win anther CL match in the group we will take this years very low 6-7 point for the next 5 years like we carry that shit 3.5 point from 09/10 season.

So while it is easy to say finish 4th because league will be easier but coeff points are for 5 years and one bad year means you take that point from that bad year in the next 5 year with you and bring your coeff points tally down big time.

we werent in Europe in 09-10 and it bring us down already.
That was 3.5 points because other English clubs performed well in that year overall and we got some average from their points like every other English team.
And noe we are in CL but wont get more than 6-7 points so it is very low. We would get 3-4 if wouldnt be in it at all. But all we did is 1 point against Dortmund so far.

If we want to be Pot 1 we have to work very hard this year in the EL. Or we will be in Pot 1 only in 2015-16 season and not sooner.

 

[Cobwebcat]

Coeff points:

It counts the last 5 years always so we have one bad year and it makes it bad for many years:

08-09:20
09-10:3.5
10-11:16.5
11-12:20
and this year 6.3 only so far. (They add up the 5 years points and that gives the final order between teams)

Last year we got 20 points for getting 10 points in the CL and beating Porto and Sporting at least home in EL.
But that 3.5 point year is from 09/10 when we were not in Europe after Hughes first season. When that will go out from calculation we can get maybe higher to Pot 1 but only in that case if get around 20 points until that this season and next season.

For 20 coeff. points we have to what we did last year basically. Some win in the CL and some win in the EL but nothing special. (They give good points for EL wins too.)

A fantastic CL/EL run means 30-35 points but it means at least semi final.
We wont even get 10 points actually if we finish behind Ajax this year it will mean we wont win anther CL match in the group we will take this years very low 6-7 point for the next 5 years like we carry that shit 3.5 point from 09/10 season.

So while it is easy to say finish 4th because league will be easier but coeff points are for 5 years and one bad year means you take that point from that bad year in the next 5 year with you and bring your coeff points tally down big time.

we werent in Europe in 09-10 and it bring us down already.
That was 3.5 points because other English clubs performed well in that year overall and we got some average from their points like every other English team.
And noe we are in CL but wont get more than 6-7 points so it is very low. We would get 3-4 if wouldnt be in it at all. But all we did is 1 point against Dortmund so far.

If we want to be Pot 1 we have to work very hard this year in the EL. Or we will be in Pot 1 only in 2015-16 season and not sooner.

That's all true but with the current system there will still be unbalanced overly tough/weak groups so in a way it matters a little less. If the system made more sense then it would be more important to be in pot 1.

 

[tonea2003]

- UEFA's fault
- Platini's fault
- Marwoods fault

More like Mancini's fault!

and the players

 

[Vic]

I've not read all the thread, but I imagine if there were any attempt to penalise City for breaching financial fair play rules, part of the counter-attack would be to argue that these arbitrary co-efficient rules are just as unfair. And the Sheik scores on the break!

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

We could be stuck in a group with Cluj, Nordsjaelland and Lille and still struggle. Our players and, maybe more importantly, the manager are simply not good enough on the big European stage. How many truly decent performances have we had in Europe this past three seasons? 3 or 4?

I think they are good enough but you still have to put together a performance that befits the PL champions. In all the performances that I have seen us play European teams in the CL and the Europa League only two stick out - Schalke and Hamburg. The rest have been performances that if you were content to be mid-table PL fodder then they would have been passable. We have stuttered and stammered against reasonable teams and we have not been very convincing re the three points in too many matches in Europe.

Could be that Big Mal's 'terrifying Europe' is still bitin' our collective arse!

 

[Anonymous]

Going to be very interesting to see what happens if we fail to make the EL. Will no doubt help our PL campaign, but will ensure another very difficult group in the CL next season.

Anyone know what not qualifying for the EL will do to our co-efficient and what pot we could end up in ?

 

[FCPortofan]

Going to be very interesting to see what happens if we fail to make the EL. Will no doubt help our PL campaign, but will ensure another very difficult group in the CL next season.

Anyone know what not qualifying for the EL will do to our co-efficient and what pot we could end up in ?

At the moment City ranks 19 in UEFA rankings. Without going to the EL, which means 1-2 more points at most, you risk coming down a few spots, depending on how many points the teams immediately below make. Looking at the teams realistically capable of reaching you I'd say you can end up anything like 21-24th which means a very likely 3rd pot for next season's draw.

And next season you need to do reasonably well to not go down again. One of your seasons with most points was 08/09 and it won't count for the 2013/14 ranking, where it will be replaced by your next season's performance.

Basically if you dream of getting to the first pot any time in the next decade you can't repeat seasons like 09/10 or the current one. Minimally consistent results are the key, regardless if it's Europa League or Champions League.

It would be wise to qualify to the Europa League this season. With your squad depth you should be able to get quite a few more points there without hurting your Premiership aspirations. That alone can mean second pot next season instead of the likely third. Add some much needed European experience you seem to lack, and to me it seems a daft way of thinking to prefer being last of the group.