I know it's not a popular opinion but I honestly think Wilcox is the emerging talent, not Vieira. Vieira has flattered to deceive in the last few seasons. I hope I'm wrong but I think he could be another example of a great player turning into a run of the mill manager.
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I know it's not a popular opinion but I honestly think Wilcox is the emerging talent, not Vieira. Vieira has flattered to deceive in the last few seasons. I hope I'm wrong but I think he could be another example of a great player turning into a run of the mill manager.
City_Sean
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Personally I think Pat's far more ambitious than that. I'm not sure it'd be any great grounding for him to go and manage in the MLS anyway and i'm sure if we tried to do that he'd have other better options in Europe.
I agree, but from what I've seen of the EDS, Paddy has a long way to go. Will be interesting to see who we go for.
BillyShears
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I agree, but from what I've seen of the EDS, Paddy has a long way to go. Will be interesting to see who we go for.
I reckon it'll be someone from South America.
City_Sean
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I reckon it'll be someone from South America.
As bizarre as this may sound, I'd be tempted to throw money at Rodgers, after the disappointment of being sacked, maybe he'd come and have a point to prove, winning the MLS Cup would potentially be a huge achievement for him, and put him back on the radar of higher clubs.
BillyShears
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As bizarre as this may sound, I'd be tempted to throw money at Rodgers, after the disappointment of being sacked, maybe he'd come and have a point to prove, winning the MLS Cup would potentially be a huge achievement for him, and put him back on the radar of higher clubs.
Ha. Can't see Brenda going to the MLS just yet. Again he'll have better options in Europe. I think the problem with sending someone out there as a manager is that nobody in Europe is going to give a toss if you win something in the MLS so it's not going to improve your reputation as a manager where it matters to you.
City_Sean
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Ha. Can't see Brenda going to the MLS just yet. Again he'll have better options in Europe. I think the problem with sending someone out there as a manager is that nobody in Europe is going to give a toss if you win something in the MLS so it's not going to improve your reputation as a manager where it matters to you.
I'm not so sure mate, I doubt it'd happen, but look at our own Pellegrini, won the league in Chile and it lead to bigger and better things. Of course I'm being slightly fanciful, but it will be interesting to see what happens, if we move for a South American coach, I'd expect NYCFC to fare a lot better, more emphasis on pressing.
I really like Wilcox. Everything seems so precise, clear and in control. The players seem organised, disciplined and hardworking, yet totally free to express themselves.I know it's not a popular opinion but I honestly think Wilcox is the emerging talent, not Vieira. Vieira has flattered to deceive in the last few seasons. I hope I'm wrong but I think he could be another example of a great player turning into a run of the mill manager.
Yet I always feel a bit confused watching Vieira's teams. It's probably intentional, bigger picture and all that, but I can only be honest as a fan that Wilcox's teams excite me more.
MLS is such a unique / unnecessarily complex league structurally that I would say it is near-impossible for a "name" manager from Europe, (or anywhere outside of MLS for that matter) to have an immediate impact on an MLS squad. I thought that CFG hiring Jason Kreis was an excellent move on their end. He had developed a system of playing at his previous club, was working on a limited budget, and knew the league from his time at Real Salt Lake. Real Salt Lake were never an easy team to beat for years, and won the league once. MLS is such a complicated environment you have to have people who inherently know the system. I think he could have gotten more time, but I don't know all the facts.
Being from Seattle, I got to experience watching an expansion club with big money start out in the correct manner. Seattle poached a long-time MLS coach in Sigi Schmid who had won several titles in MLS with different clubs, and is currently the most winning coach in MLS history. Our General Manager publicly acknowledged deferring to Sigi Schmid's experience when it came to identifying transfers because of his vast experience with the league. Sigi knew which players to bring on from the expansion draft (as should Jason Kreis have known as well). The differences I see between Sigi and Jason is that Sigi had experience dealing with bigger name stars, whereas Kreis may not as much at Real Salt Lake, and that Sigi may have had more control selecting his team from the start. Furthermore, Jason Kreis worked with a very good GM at Real Salt Lake, and together they did amazing things on a very small budget (Interestingly, last year Seattle's part owner/GM stepped aside as GM in order to hire the GM from Real Salt Lake who worked with Jason Kreis). I know Claudio Reyna has some MLS experience, but in order to succeed in the league you have to have a whole team pushing in the same direction. There is so much parity in the league, if you don't operate as well run machine, you are simply going to be poor, or ordinary. Teams can win MLS having no, or very few, stars on their team because they have a system, and they implement it well.
Being from Seattle, I got to experience watching an expansion club with big money start out in the correct manner. Seattle poached a long-time MLS coach in Sigi Schmid who had won several titles in MLS with different clubs, and is currently the most winning coach in MLS history. Our General Manager publicly acknowledged deferring to Sigi Schmid's experience when it came to identifying transfers because of his vast experience with the league. Sigi knew which players to bring on from the expansion draft (as should Jason Kreis have known as well). The differences I see between Sigi and Jason is that Sigi had experience dealing with bigger name stars, whereas Kreis may not as much at Real Salt Lake, and that Sigi may have had more control selecting his team from the start. Furthermore, Jason Kreis worked with a very good GM at Real Salt Lake, and together they did amazing things on a very small budget (Interestingly, last year Seattle's part owner/GM stepped aside as GM in order to hire the GM from Real Salt Lake who worked with Jason Kreis). I know Claudio Reyna has some MLS experience, but in order to succeed in the league you have to have a whole team pushing in the same direction. There is so much parity in the league, if you don't operate as well run machine, you are simply going to be poor, or ordinary. Teams can win MLS having no, or very few, stars on their team because they have a system, and they implement it well.
kas_tippler
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David Moyles will be seeking employment very soon, just a thought.
without a dream
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Vieira it is. They won't be pleased with that.
Bigga
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Nailed on.
You'd have to have been stupid not to see it.
He'll do well.
You'd have to have been stupid not to see it.
He'll do well.
dave_blue12
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Vieira it is. They won't be pleased with that.
Does anything please them ?
I can't see Paddy putting up with some of the shit footballers they have over there. Methinks he will want quite a few of the EDS.
Bigga
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What he will do is converse with Lampard and Pirlo on the midfield shape, within the CFG remit of the City Blueprint and go from there.
He will shape the defence better and there's not too much to alter. He just has to have to have the nouce to change it up when it needs to change.
Nobody should be untouchable.
He will shape the defence better and there's not too much to alter. He just has to have to have the nouce to change it up when it needs to change.
Nobody should be untouchable.
without a dream
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Does anything please them ?
I can't see Paddy putting up with some of the shit footballers they have over there. Methinks he will want quite a few of the EDS.
Not especially but they've got a huge complex over being seen as a City plaything. Soriano thinks managers go in roughly 3 year cycles so he'll be there for about that long unless he cocks up. I don't expect any of them will have bothered to research that though.
kas_tippler
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Does anything please them ?
I can't see Paddy putting up with some of the shit footballers they have over there. Methinks he will want quite a few of the EDS.
They have are a very balanced lot, chips on both shoulders.
JoeMercer'sWay
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wonder who he can bring in, needs some better Americans in that side.
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wonder who he can bring in, needs some better Americans in that side.
Martin Demichelis would be an excellent acquisition for NYCFC.
And he's South American.
;-)
I think this is a very shrewd move by all concerned.
It will give Patrick further experience, while keeping him within CFG.
If Jason Wilcox is promoted to EDS manager, he will still be working with some of the lads he has been with at U18 level, providing them with continuity as they develop further and if he stays as head of the U18s, he will continue the excellent job he has already been doing at that level.
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JoeMercer'sWay
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Martin Demichelis would be an excellent acquisition for NYCFC.
And he's South American.
;-)
I think this is a very shrewd move by all concerned.
It will give Patrick further experience, while keeping him within CFG.
If Jason Wilcox is promoted to EDS manager, he will still be working with some of the lads he has been with at U18 level, providing them with continuity as they develop further and if he stays as head of the U18s, he will continue the excellent job he has already been doing at that level.
are NYCFC allowed another raft of foreign signings next season? Are they able to poach any of the better players from other MLS sides or are they largely stuck with what they have?
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are NYCFC allowed another raft of foreign signings next season? Are they able to poach any of the better players from other MLS sides or are they largely stuck with what they have?
I don't think so. Isn't each franchise allowed three and NYCFC already has Frank, Andrea and Spanish Dave Mk II.
My comment about MD was tongue in cheek, really, but Paddy will certainly have to do something about that defence.