Next Labour Leader - Miliband Resigns

[Henkeman]

It is a Labour leadership election for Labour party members and affiliates so it is fuck all to do with anybody on the outside. Im sick of being patronised by twats telling me how to vote and how voting for Corbyn will bring armageddon upon the Labour party, make us unelectable,blah blah fucking blah.. The Blairites are losing the debate but the Blairite spin remains a potent force. I dont care what outsiders think, i do respect Blairite members views, but their views are now becoming the minority.

Elsewhere i have been disscusing this at length and the general concensus is that if the Blairites throw their dummies out of the pram then that will be a good thing. We can get rid, they can cosy up to their neo-liberal buddies and leave us to get on with the task of creating a proper Socialist party able to take the fight to the Tories and show the nation that we are the way forward. Even good old Ken Clarke sees that.

So im probably one of these fanatics you are going on about. Im a fanatic because i fundamentally disagree with the neo liberalism that the Blairites have embraced. It is philosophically impossible to be both neo-liberal and Socialist

This election has nothing to do with those outside, but wider politics does, and any belief in the righteousness of an opinion is fanaticism pure and simple. your contempt for the Blairites, or indeed for anyone else who has a different view within the party is an opinion you are entitled to. Disregarding the views of all others as inferior is not. I trust you aren't doing that, and accept those other views are every bit as valid as your own, and insults towards them as closet Tories and so forth are unacceptable?

 

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Truth again!! It's an opinion, that is all.

No, inequality is not a matter of opinion, homelessness is not a matter of opinion, food banks are not a matter of opinion, housing shortage is not a matter of opinion, the north/south divide is not a matter of opinion, massive underinvestment is not a matter of opinion, poor productivity, low educational attainment, short term capitalism, exorbitant executive pay and job insecurity are not matters of opinion.

You can't see it, that is why Corbyn's opponents are struggling in sound bite hell in empty halls with poll ratings in the toilet.

This is not a left wing tidal wave, Trotskyist entryism, or a deluded cult, if any thing it's an anti bullshit wave.

 

[SWP's back]

Most studies that have been carried out say that the working classes are less likely to vote than the more affluent members in society.
I don't believe it to be a left wing "soundbite" to suggest that these workers would be more likely to vote Labour than tory.
The Corbyn campaign is gathering momentum in a manner seldom seen in British politics, can it continue? Time will tell, but there are certainly a growing number of those that are embedded in neo-liberalism that are getting worried

The working classes aren't solely the realm of Labour though. Just ask the Sun editors.

 

[SWP's back]

It is a Labour leadership election for Labour party members and affiliates so it is fuck all to do with anybody on the outside. Im sick of being patronised by twats telling me how to vote and how voting for Corbyn will bring armageddon upon the Labour party, make us unelectable,blah blah fucking blah.. The Blairites are losing the debate but the Blairite spin remains a potent force. I dont care what outsiders think, i do respect Blairite members views, but their views are now becoming the minority.

Elsewhere i have been disscusing this at length and the general concensus is that if the Blairites throw their dummies out of the pram then that will be a good thing. We can get rid, they can cosy up to their neo-liberal buddies and leave us to get on with the task of creating a proper Socialist party able to take the fight to the Tories and show the nation that we are the way forward. Even good old Ken Clarke sees that.

So im probably one of these fanatics you are going on about. Im a fanatic because i fundamentally disagree with the neo liberalism that the Blairites have embraced. It is philosophically impossible to be both neo-liberal and Socialist

No no. We can all pay £3 to vote. I posted the link about 50 pages back. I have as much say as you do about who we should elect as the next leader of Her Majesty's opposition.

 

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[mat]

Another full house for Corbyn tonight. Extra room booked and people still couldn't get in. As with Liverpool on Saturday this will be casually ignored by the right wing press.

 

[SWP's back]

No, inequality is not a matter of opinion, homelessness is not a matter of opinion, food banks are not a matter of opinion, housing shortage is not a matter of opinion, the north/south divide is not a matter of opinion, massive underinvestment is not a matter of opinion, poor productivity, low educational attainment, short term capitalism, exorbitant executive pay and job insecurity are not matters of opinion.

You can't see it, that is why Corbyn's opponents are struggling in sound bite hell in empty halls with poll ratings in the toilet.

This is not a left wing tidal wave, Trotskyist entryism, or a deluded cult, if any thing it's an anti bullshit wave.

Poll ratings eh?

Do they always work out @Len Rum

 

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Poll ratings eh?

Do they always work out @Len Rum

No

 

[Rascal]

This election has nothing to do with those outside, but wider politics does, and any belief in the righteousness of an opinion is fanaticism pure and simple. your contempt for the Blairites, or indeed for anyone else who has a different view within the party is an opinion you are entitled to. Disregarding the views of all others as inferior is not. I trust you aren't doing that, and accept those other views are every bit as valid as your own, and insults towards them as closet Tories and so forth are unacceptable?

Within the party it is the Blairite contempt for the left that is the issue. They are the ones apparently threatening a coup if the members elect Corbyn. They are the ones who are against the democratic wishes of the members. Chris Leslie is the latest arch Blairite to come out with anti left stuff. If they dont like socialism why are in they in a left wing party? I see Blairites more and more as Neo liberals with a small social conscience. They inherit the ground that the Tory wets once owned before the Tory party moved to the right.

A Corbyn victory would move the Overton window leftwards and that would pull the Tories leftwards back towards the old days on one nation Toryism. They would then be the natural home of the Blairites. That is not insulting them, that is my opinion on where they stand.

 

[Henkeman]

No, inequality is not a matter of opinion, homelessness is not a matter of opinion, food banks are not a matter of opinion, housing shortage is not a matter of opinion, the north/south divide is not a matter of opinion, massive underinvestment is not a matter of opinion, poor productivity, low educational attainment, short term capitalism, exorbitant executive pay and job insecurity are not matters of opinion.

You can't see it, that is why Corbyn's opponents are struggling in sound bite hell in empty halls with poll ratings in the toilet.

This is not a left wing tidal wave, Trotskyist entryism, or a deluded cult, if any thing it's an anti bullshit wave.

Yes it is. Every single one of them is a matter of opinion. Every single one.