Next Labour Leader - Miliband Resigns

[SWP's back]

Then try throwing yourself out of your bedroom window and see how gravity works out for you.

That's not very nice.

 

[Henkeman]

My wife thought it was funny and she's my only constituent.

Yeah, but she married you ;-)

 

[Rascal]

It would be crackers for anyone to try and overturn a democratic election. As for Leslie, he has his opinion. You are trying to attack him for having one. That is pretty intolerant, given you just don't agree with him. Feel free to have that different view, but yours has no more validity than his does.

As for the Tories, what they do is none of your business, as per your own argument

I wasnt attacking him, i was suggesting that if he is not a Socialist perhaps he is in the wrong party.

Do you understand the concept of the Overton window? What happens if Corbyn is elected could be profound in its effects on the Tory party. Of course it is there business and i have no desire to interfere in any shape or form in the machinations of the right but if the window moves then the Tories have decisions to make. Ken Clarke gets this in the Indy today.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Yeah, but she married you ;-)

Yes, I had an Andy Burnham view of the truth while we were courting.

 

[SWP's back]

I wasnt attacking him, i was suggesting that if he is not a Socialist perhaps he is in the wrong party.

Do you understand the concept of the Overton window? What happens if Corbyn is elected could be profound in its effects on the Tory party. Of course it is there business and i have no desire to interfere in any shape or form in the machinations of the right but if the window moves then the Tories have decisions to make. Ken Clarke gets this in the Indy today.

Third time you've referenced him.

You know he's not very important these days?

Now Blair, there's a man who knows his politics and how to win an election. What's he said?

 

[Bewar3them00n]

Finally, a politician who tells it how it is, no bullshit, no arse kissing to "big-business" and bankers, no spin, no smoke and mirrors, just straight down the line. I've only ever met one other politician who did what he said he'd do, who helped the little man, stood up for the wronged.
I don't know how Blair and his cronies can even call themselves "Labour" thesedays, they moved so far to the right to secure Middle England votes, they're more a putrid shade of mauve, after taking us into a war the majority didn't want (twice) and then ironically becoming "middle Eastern peace envoy"!!!!! He has the front to shove his oar in, and warn us it would be a disaster! Sorry Tony, you had your chance, you fucked us royally.
Time for someone else, someone who won't bend over and take it, to secure votes, someone with principles.

 

[Henkeman]

I wasnt attacking him, i was suggesting that if he is not a Socialist perhaps he is in the wrong party.

Do you understand the concept of the Overton window? What happens if Corbyn is elected could be profound in its effects on the Tory party. Of course it is there business and i have no desire to interfere in any shape or form in the machinations of the right but if the window moves then the Tories have decisions to make. Ken Clarke gets this in the Indy today.

Who are you to tell other people what party they should be in? It's his every much as anyone else's. You don't have the right to tell other people they aren't proper members.

I'm well aware of what it means, bit an appeal to authority counts for as little as it ever did. You are making the assumption that a Corbyn Labour Party would represent a threat to the Tories, where an argument could be made that the beneficiaries are just as likely to be UKIP, which would change those dynamics completely. It is an open question, which could be as you say, but might not be. Do you understand that?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Disbelieving is more apt. Along with a fair old chunk of Labour support.

If you believe that ......

Inequality is a matter of opinion, homelessness is a matter of opinion, food banks are a matter of opinion, housing shortage is a matter of opinion, the north/south divide is a matter of opinion, massive underinvestment is a matter of opinion, poor productivity, low educational attainment, short term capitalism, exorbitant executive pay and job insecurity are matters of opinion.

Then I struggle to see how you can know anything about "a fair old chunk of Labour support"

 

[SWP's back]

Finally, a politician who tells it how it is, no bullshit, no arse kissing to "big-business" and bankers, no spin, no smoke and mirrors, just straight down the line. I've only ever met one other politician who did what he said he'd do, who helped the little man, stood up for the wronged.
I don't know how Blair and his cronies can even call themselves "Labour" thesedays, they moved so far to the right to secure Middle England votes, they're more a putrid shade of mauve, after taking us into a war the majority didn't want (twice) and then ironically becoming "middle Eastern peace envoy"!!!!! He has the front to shove his oar in, and warn us it would be a disaster! Sorry Tony, you had your chance, you fucked us royally.
Time for someone else, someone who won't bend over and take it, to secure votes, someone with principles.

You're saying that to the only guy that won an election for labour in two generations.

 

[Rascal]

Who are you to tell other people what party they should be in? It's his every much as anyone else's. You don't have the right to tell other people they aren't proper members.

I'm well aware of what it means, bit an appeal to authority counts for as little as it ever did. You are making the assumption that a Corbyn Labour Party would represent a threat to the Tories, where an argument could be made that the beneficiaries are just as likely to be UKIP, which would change those dynamics completely. It is an open question, which could be as you say, but might not be. Do you understand that?

I was not telling him anything, I was suggesting he was in the wrong party.

No you dont understand as that claptrap proves.