Next Labour Leader - Miliband Resigns

[Henkeman]

Keir Hardie trumps Lord Salisbury by a few years!

Might not have been the last though. Did Lloyd George ever go full beard?

 

[Bewar3them00n]

You're saying that to the only guy that won an election for labour in two generations.

He may well have started of with the best intentions with his " new Labour" movement, but look where it ended up, a Yes man to George W Bush! FFS!!! Taking us into an illegal war, which has had serious repercussions on the MiddleEast, Iraq, Lbiya, Tunisia, Syria, Egypt, we've now got thousands of economic migrants and refugees flooding into Europe because they are desperate to get out Syria, Libya etc.
There has to be an alternative to the likes of Cameron, Gove, and the callous bastard IDS, Millibland and the other New Labour clones are fucking clueless and spineless, Corbyn has got them all running scared.

 

[Henkeman]

He may well have started of with the best intentions with his " new Labour" movement, but look where it ended up, a Yes man to George W Bush! FFS!!! Taking us into an illegal war, which has had serious repercussions on the MiddleEast, Iraq, Lbiya, Tunisia, Syria, Egypt, we've now got thousands of economic migrants and refugees flooding into Europe because they are desperate to get out Syria, Libya etc.
There has to be an alternative to the likes of Cameron, Gove, and the callous bastard IDS, Millibland and the other New Labour clones are fucking clueless and spineless, Corbyn has got them all running scared.

Even after Iraq, he still won the election. Which is more than any other Labour leader since Wilson has.

 

[The perfect fumble]

In other words, it's all a matter of opinion.

In other words, no it is not. If you have £100 and I have nothing that is a fact, the root causes in the disparity in our incomes and the reasons why you have money and I do not, or whether something should be done about it might very well be political and maybe we should open a thread about it.

But after many pages about your prudence and entrepreneurial flair and the tax you should pay and my work shy existence, the fact will remain, you will have £100 and I will have nothing.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Might not have been the last though. Did Lloyd George ever go full beard?

Don't think so.

I do reckon a beard would have made Thatcher appear more feminine.

 

[Henkeman]

In other words, no it is not. If you have £100 and I have nothing that is a fact, the root causes in the disparity in our incomes and the reasons why you have money and I do not, or whether something should be done about it might very well be political and maybe we should open a thread about it.

But after many pages about your prudence and entrepreneurial flair and the tax you should pay and my work shy existence, the fact will remain, you will have £100 and I will have nothing.

Except that none of those things you posted were absolutes, they were statements of political concepts. Poverty is a fact, wealth is a fact. A list of items that you feel need addressing (and I might even agree with you) are not.

 

[Henkeman]

Don't think so.

I do reckon a beard would have made Thatcher appear more feminine.

Let's be honest, a cock would have made Thatcher more feminine.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Another fact that seems to be criminally overlooked is Corbyn's name. Jeremy is about as bourgeois a name as you can get. Worse than Gideon, I reckon.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Except that none of those things you posted were absolutes, they were statements of political concepts. Poverty is a fact, wealth is a fact. A list of items that you feel need addressing (and I might even agree with you) are not.

This is getting silly, a form of reductionism that says beyond the laws of nature everything is opinion, that why madness lies. Homelessness exists, inequality exists, we might have differing opinions about them but they exist, we may choose to ignore them, downplay them, but to state as you do that they exist in the same way I might prefer Indian food over Chinese or blue rather than red is surreal.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Another fact that seems to be criminally overlooked is Corbyn's name. Jeremy is about as bourgeois a name as you can get. Worse than Gideon, I reckon.

How about Tristram Hunt?