Next Labour Leader - Miliband Resigns

[SWP's back]

Probably the fastest breaking news medium available, you choose your content

I use it for team news an hour before kick off and for tearing into journalists printing incorrect facts about FFP and the like.

I'm fun like that.

 

[urban genie]

Yeah I got that on my phone. Didn't know if it's different on a proper laptop rather than an app

on me laptop, she has several hashtags setup mysoginistsforcorbyn, antisemiteforcorbyn etc, all done made by her and mates, she is claiming she checks them to find the ugliness of corbyns supporters, sort of kills the tories want corbyn in stuff a bit, she obviously doesn't.

As for twatter like most social media gives both sensible people and the cranks an equal voice, sure corbyn has attratched both.

 

[yorknomore]

on me laptop, she has several hashtags setup mysoginistsforcorbyn, antisemiteforcorbyn etc, all one made by her and mates, sort of kills the tories want corbyn in stuff a bit, she obviously doesn't

To be fair she's never been right has she? The woman is obnoxious. But I very much would.

 

[hgblue]

on me laptop, she has several hashtags setup mysoginistsforcorbyn, antisemiteforcorbyn etc, all one made by her and mates, sort of kills the tories want corbyn in stuff a bit, she obviously doesn't

Er, she's not a Tory? She's very cleverly setting herself up as the anti-Corbyn candidate, and she'll be saying 'I told you so' when it all goes tits up.

 

[urban genie]

Er, she's not a Tory? She's very cleverly setting herself up as the anti-Corbyn candidate, and she'll be saying 'I told you so' when it all goes tits up.

Mensch? She was the Conservative Member of the UK Parliament for Corby from 2010 to 2012

 

[hgblue]

Mensch? She was the Conservative Member of the UK Parliament for Corby from 2010 to 2012

Sorry mate, thought you were referring to Kendall.

 

[west didsblue]

Apparently it's not a requirement to be human to vote in the Labour leadership election
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/21/ned-the-cat-votes-corbyn-labour-leader-llamas

 

[The perfect fumble]

Corbyn's actions were grandiose and ultimately useless, potentially making a situation worse..

That's not what Nelson Mandela said when he visited Britain.

Cameron's were diplomatic and more importantly, he was doing his actual job that he was actually employed for.

Ah! I see, Corbyn actions were grandiose (you really are "central casting" reactionary, was he part of a "rent a mob"?) Where as Cameron was just "doing his job". Since when was "he was doing his job" a defence for anything?

So......

David Cameron was being more of a competent diplomat

So let's look in to this trip, first off the bat, it wasn't a diplomatic trip, only foreign office organised trips have that status, he was not a member of the Diplomatic Corp nor was he a Member of Parliament .... The trip was in fact organised and funded by Strategy Network International (SNI), created in 1985 specifically to lobby against the imposition of sanctions on South Africa.
Alistair Cooke – in 1989 Cameron's boss at Tory Central Office – said it was "simply a jolly", adding: "It was all terribly relaxed, just a little treat, a perk of the job. The Botha regime was attempting to make itself look less horrible.

So Cameron's relaxing little Jolly, his little treat, his perk of the job, funded by a group set up to lobby against the imposition of sanctions on South Africa was "diplomatic" and he was "doing his actual job that he was actually employed for", where as "Corbyn was arrested for offending diplomats from another country and were the actions in no way of a rational man"!

I'm staggered! These were diplomats of Aparthied South Africa! A regime not recognised by any Black African State, a rogue state that practiced brutal racial segragationist policies for decades, yet Corbyn getting arrested outside the round the clock vigil outside the South African Embassy was irrational but Cameron's sanction busting funded jolly when he worked for Tory Central Office was "diplomatic" Of course his guiding light then (as now) was Margaret Thatcher, who described the African National Congress as "a typical terrorist organisation" and fiercely opposed sanctions against the apartheid regime, but of course her South Africa policy was in part personal: her husband, Denis, had extensive business interests in the country.

What a brave boy David was, flying in the face of his boss, diplomatically doing his job...blah, blah....When of course, he was doing none of those things

You really do need to give your head a wobble.

I have the lovely position of being neither a Labour nor Conservative voter so am tied to neither ideology like literally 99% of the political posters on here and some of the shit is ridiculous

I'm not sure lovely describes your position, show me someone who boasts of being free of "ideology" and can't tell the difference between shit and shinola and I'll show you a pro establishment, no nonsense, common sense, dim, deferential Tory.

 

[foxy]

There were that many atrocities by the US in Fallujah it is difficult to know which one you are referring to. The one where there was no evidence of a firefight just 17 dead and 50 injured from a schoolhouse, whilst no US casualties.

Here is some more from the second battle

Journalists embedded with U.S. military units, although limited in what they may report, have reported the following:

• On November 8, 2004, a force of around 2,000 U.S. and 600 Iraqi troops began a concentrated assault on Fallujah with air strikes, artillery, armor, and infantry. The New York Times reported that within an hour of the start of the ground attack, troops seized the Fallujah General Hospital. "Patients and hospital employees were rushed out of rooms by armed soldiers and ordered to sit or lie on the floor while troops tied their hands behind their backs". Noam Chomsky in his book Failed States commented that according to the Geneva Conventions, medical establishments "may in no circumstance be attacked, but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict." Troops seized the rail yards North of the city, and pushed into the city simultaneously from the North and West taking control of the volatile Jolan and Askari districts. By nightfall on November 9, 2004, the U.S. troops had almost reached the heart of the city. U.S. military officials stated that 1,000 to 6,000 insurgents were believed to be in the city, they appear to be organized, and fought in small groups, of three to 25. Many insurgents were believed to have slipped away amid widespread reports that the U.S. offensive was coming. During the assault, Marines and Iraqi soldiers endured sniper fire and destroyed booby traps, much more than anticipated. Ten U.S. troops were killed in the fighting and 22 wounded in the first two days of fighting. Insurgent casualty numbers were estimated at 85 to 90 killed or wounded. Several more days of fighting were anticipated as U.S. and Iraqi troops conducted house-to-house searches for weapons, booby traps, and insurgents.
• On 9 November, CNN Correspondent Karl Penhaul reported the use of cluster bombs in the offensive: "The sky over Falluja seems to explode as U.S. Marines launch their much-trumpeted ground assault. War planes drop cluster bombs on insurgent positions and artillery batteries fire smoke rounds to conceal a Marine advance."
• November 10, 2004 reports by the Washington Post suggest that U.S. armed forces used white phosphorus grenades and/or artillery shells, creating walls of fire in the city. Doctors working inside Fallujah report seeing melted corpses of suspected insurgents. The use of WP ammunition was confirmed from various independent sources, including U.S. troops who had suffered WP burns due to friendly fire. On November 16, 2005 The Independent reported that Pentagon spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Barry Venable "disclosed that (white phosphorus) had been used to dislodge enemy fighters from entrenched positions in the city"..."We use them primarily as obscurants, for smokescreens or target marking in some cases. However, it is an incendiary weapon and may be used against enemy combatants." But a day before, Robert Tuttle, the U.S. ambassador to London, denied that white phosphorus was deployed as a weapon: "US forces do not use napalm or white phosphorus as weapons.
• On November 13, 2004 a Red Crescent convoy containing humanitarian aid was delayed from entering Fallujah by the U.S. army.
• On November 13, 2004, a U.S. Marine with 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines was videotaped killing a wounded and unarmed prisoner in a mosque. The incident, which came under investigation, created controversy throughout the world. The man was shot at close range after he and several other badly wounded Iraqi prisoners had previously been left behind overnight in the mosque by the U.S. Marines. The Marine shooting the man had been mildly injured by insurgents in the same mosque the day before. In May 2005, it was announced that the Marine would not face a court-martial. In a statement, Maj. Gen. Richard F. Natonski, commanding general of the I Marine Expeditionary Force, said that a review of the evidence had shown that the shooting was "consistent with the established rules of engagement and the law of armed conflict."
• On November 16, 2004, a Red Cross official told Inter Press Service that "at least 800 civilians" had been killed in Fallujah and indicated that "they had received several reports from refugees that the military had dropped cluster bombs in Fallujah, and used a phosphorus weapon that caused severe burns."
• As of November 18, 2004, the U.S. military reported 1200 insurgents killed and 1000 captured. U.S. casualties were 51 killed and 425 wounded, and the Iraqi forces lost 8 killed and 43 wounded.
• On December 2, 2004, the U.S. death toll in Fallujah operation reached 71 killed.
• Some of the tactics said to be used by the insurgents included playing dead and attacking, surrendering and attacking, and rigging dead or wounded with bombs. In the November 13th incident mentioned above, the U.S. Marine alleged the insurgent was playing dead.
• Of the 100 mosques in the city, about 60 were used as fighting positions by the insurgents. The U.S. and Iraqi military swept through all mosques used as fighting positions, destroying them, leading to great resentment from local residents.
• In 2005, the U.S. military admitted that it used white phosphorus as an anti-personnel weapon in Fallujah.

On 17 May 2011, AFP reported that 21 bodies, in black body-bags marked with letters and numbers in Roman script had been recovered from a mass grave in al-Maadhidi cemetery in the centre of the city. Fallujah police chief Brigadier General Mahmud al-Essawi said that they had been blindfolded, their legs had been tied and they had suffered gunshot wounds. The Mayor, Adnan Husseini said that the manner of their killing, as well as the body bags, indicated that US forces had been responsible. Both al-Essawi and Husseini agreed that the dead had been killed in 2004. The US Military declined to comment.


Residents were allowed to return to the city in mid-December after undergoing biometric identification, provided they carry their ID cards all the time. US officials report that "more than half of Fallujah's 39,000 homes were damaged, and about 10,000 of those were destroyed." Compensation amounts to 20 percent of the value of damaged houses, with an estimated 32,000 homeowners eligible, according to Marine Lt. Col. William Brown. According to the NBC, 9,000 homes were destroyed, thousands more were damaged and of the 32,000 compensation claims only 2,500 had been paid as of April 14, 2005. According to Mike Marqusee of Iraq Occupation Focus writing in The Guardian,"Falluja's compensation commissioner has reported that 36,000 of the city's 50,000 homes were destroyed, along with 60 schools and 65 mosques and shrines". Reconstruction is only progressing slowly and mainly consists of clearing rubble from heavily-damaged areas and reestablishing basic utility services. This is also due to the fact that only 10% of the pre-offensive inhabitants had returned as of mid-January, and only 30% as of the end of March 2005.


According to professor Noam Chomsky, "Fallujah,..., was one of the worst atrocities of the 21st century.

Then you wonder why ISIS get support.
We can can go about other towns and Guantanamo but i am sure you get the picture.

A dent on what ISIS have done

 

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