Two meetings, two candidates. Enough said....
Almost as impressive as this:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...eld-tomorrow-donald-trump-tells-alabama-rally
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Next Labour Leader - Miliband Resigns
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Almost as impressive as this:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...eld-tomorrow-donald-trump-tells-alabama-rally
I'm still waiting for the Jezbollah to have the courage to state what he , on day one of becoming PM , would set the living wage at.
He already has. Its what the TUC recommends
Lucky13
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He already has. Its what the TUC recommends
That's my point , he hid behind the " TUC recommends" , not what he would do , why mention the TUC ? , as an opposition MP , who wants to be PM , he can promise anything, he chose not to.
gordondaviesmoustache
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Didn't seem phased by this old crone.
13th May. What a fantastic day.
That's my point , he hid behind the " TUC recommends" , not what he would do , why mention the TUC ? , as an opposition MP , who wants to be PM , he can promise anything, he chose not to.
That's not how he sees his role. The party decide policy, his job is to implement it.
Len Rum
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2012. Aguero 93:20?13th May. What a fantastic day.
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That's obvious in my than one thread fella.Me stating the Tories are in power and Labour lost is me thinking the reds are under the bed? You mate are deluded and living in la la land.
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You mean you've got no reds under your bed? You're very fortunate.Me stating the Tories are in power and Labour lost is me thinking the reds are under the bed? You mate are deluded and living in la la land.
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I think most candidates and even the press are resigned to a Corbyn win now, hence why a few friendlier article in the centre left press(alongside the anti-corbyn stuff still), and talk of challenges to the process, forming bullshit groups like labour for common good etc, I can see a call from some Corbynite to purge the party of this group, but reckon he will resist that, a lot depends on who becomes deputy, as Watson & Creasy are pretty centre left, and Eagles though the same was never a fan of Blair, Bradshaw and Flint I cannot see being in the frame for the job
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On a personal note I'm hugely ambivalent about a Corbyn victory.
To my mind there's no doubt that the politicians who purport to represent us are a hugely unimpressive bunch; on all sides. Anyone who has harboured political ambitions from a young age should be viewed with the utmost suspicion imo. Today, Parliament comprises mainly of dull, middle-class wankers who are there to attain power for its own ends, not for what it can do for wider society. When I think back to the 'big beasts' of all political colours from a generation ago, the current lot really are a sorry, pitiful bunch. That is because, in my view, too great a premium is placed on political provenance, rather than achievements in the wider world. I believe it's important that those who seek to rule us, are worthy of that responsibility. The current political class manifestly aren't. Corbyn could be the wild-card, game changer that the political system so desperately needs. A 'ghost in the machine' that moves the pieces on the board sufficiently to bring about much needed political change. I would hugely welcome that.
I also believe, however, that a Corbyn victory would be electorally disastrous for the left - and anyone, like me, who doesn't share an illiberal, right wing perspective on how this country should be run. Constituencies in England and Wales fall into two broad camps: those that never change hands and those that do. Poor urban centres and affluent rural areas will always default to the same political setting. The nature of the MPs for constituencies like Manchester Central and Tatton won't be impacted by Corbyn's leadership of the Labour Party. Constituencies like that, however, don't alter the colour of the government in this land. It is the suburban, middle class commuter towns and districts that are the political king-makers in this country. Constituencies like Cheadle, Broxtowe, Worcester and Watford. Places where majorities are low and votes shift with relative ease. These are the battle grounds where general elections are won and lost. Places with relatively affluent, conservative, middle class and cautious electors. People who, in my view, are too wary to place what they would view as a reckless amount of risk on someone they perceive could/would impose himself on the levels of comfort they currently enjoy, whatever latent misgivings they may have about 'the system'.
This is a dynamic which is, quite simply, insuperable. In my view, at least.
To my mind there's no doubt that the politicians who purport to represent us are a hugely unimpressive bunch; on all sides. Anyone who has harboured political ambitions from a young age should be viewed with the utmost suspicion imo. Today, Parliament comprises mainly of dull, middle-class wankers who are there to attain power for its own ends, not for what it can do for wider society. When I think back to the 'big beasts' of all political colours from a generation ago, the current lot really are a sorry, pitiful bunch. That is because, in my view, too great a premium is placed on political provenance, rather than achievements in the wider world. I believe it's important that those who seek to rule us, are worthy of that responsibility. The current political class manifestly aren't. Corbyn could be the wild-card, game changer that the political system so desperately needs. A 'ghost in the machine' that moves the pieces on the board sufficiently to bring about much needed political change. I would hugely welcome that.
I also believe, however, that a Corbyn victory would be electorally disastrous for the left - and anyone, like me, who doesn't share an illiberal, right wing perspective on how this country should be run. Constituencies in England and Wales fall into two broad camps: those that never change hands and those that do. Poor urban centres and affluent rural areas will always default to the same political setting. The nature of the MPs for constituencies like Manchester Central and Tatton won't be impacted by Corbyn's leadership of the Labour Party. Constituencies like that, however, don't alter the colour of the government in this land. It is the suburban, middle class commuter towns and districts that are the political king-makers in this country. Constituencies like Cheadle, Broxtowe, Worcester and Watford. Places where majorities are low and votes shift with relative ease. These are the battle grounds where general elections are won and lost. Places with relatively affluent, conservative, middle class and cautious electors. People who, in my view, are too wary to place what they would view as a reckless amount of risk on someone they perceive could/would impose himself on the levels of comfort they currently enjoy, whatever latent misgivings they may have about 'the system'.
This is a dynamic which is, quite simply, insuperable. In my view, at least.
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