Next Labour Leader - Miliband Resigns

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The punch and Judy show of PMQs is is all bluster, when you have austerity heavy on one side and austerity light on the other, with both leaders accepting the Thatcherite "there is no alternative" (TINA) then it is a meaningless squabble.

But Corbyn doesn't accept TINA and neither do his supporters, Cameron can pluck figures out of his arse all day about his busted system, but if you believe the system is busted and Corbyn does, it's water off a ducks back. That's why the "economic argument" has made no difference to his support. Why? well for many young people, who have flocked to Corbyn the neo liberal economic system we now have doesn't offer opportunity, it fucks them over, and when you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose.
 
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On a personal note I'm hugely ambivalent about a Corbyn victory.

To my mind there's no doubt that the politicians who purport to represent us are a hugely unimpressive bunch; on all sides. Anyone who has harboured political ambitions from a young age should be viewed with the utmost suspicion imo. Today, Parliament comprises mainly of dull, middle-class wankers who are there to attain power for its own ends, not for what it can do for wider society. When I think back to the 'big beasts' of all political colours from a generation ago, the current lot really are a sorry, pitiful bunch. That is because, in my view, too great a premium is placed on political provenance, rather than achievements in the wider world. I believe it's important that those who seek to rule us, are worthy of that responsibility. The current political class manifestly aren't. Corbyn could be the wild-card, game changer that the political system so desperately needs. A 'ghost in the machine' that moves the pieces on the board sufficiently to bring about much needed political change. I would hugely welcome that.

I also believe, however, that a Corbyn victory would be electorally disastrous for the left - and anyone, like me, who doesn't share an illiberal, right wing perspective on how this country should be run. Constituencies in England and Wales fall into two broad camps: those that never change hands and those that do. Poor urban centres and affluent rural areas will always default to the same political setting. The nature of the MPs for constituencies like Manchester Central and Tatton won't be impacted by Corbyn's leadership of the Labour Party. Constituencies like that, however, don't alter the colour of the government in this land. It is the suburban, middle class commuter towns and districts that are the political king-makers in this country. Constituencies like Cheadle, Broxtowe, Worcester and Watford. Places where majorities are low and votes shift with relative ease. These are the battle grounds where general elections are won and lost. Places with relatively affluent, conservative, middle class and cautious electors. People who, in my view, are too wary to place what they would view as a reckless amount of risk on someone they perceive could/would impose himself on the levels of comfort they currently enjoy, whatever latent misgivings they may have about 'the system'.

This is a dynamic which is, quite simply, insuperable. In my view, at least.

Some fair points there and why the system needs a change.
 
Seems to be a bit closer than that to hate preachers. One of his aides dismissed 7/7 as a justified reaction to the Iraq war...

Jezbollah also compares US forces to ISIS. The man is deluded and too old to govern.
These are the same off duty US forces that have just saved the lives of perhaps hundreds of people on that Amsterdam to Paris train, selflessly tackling a gunman with a Kalashnikov, a pistol and a knife, he would have used all his 9 magazines going up and down the train slaughtering passengers if the US soldiers hadn't intervened
 
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Seems to be a bit closer than that to hate preachers. One of his aides dismissed 7/7 as a justified reaction to the Iraq war...

When this country was at war with Germany, they dropped bombs on us, they killed our soldiers and civilians and we dropped bombs on them, and we killed their soldiers and civilians. This country has been at war since 2001 in Afghanistan, Iraq and now we're bombing Syria, but it doesn't feel like war for us, footy is still being played, Strictly on the telly, our masters have made perpetual war the norm, until it isn't.

Why does it surprise us when bombs go off in London? And when someone states this is the consequence of our wars in the Middle East, why is that sedition and why do you believe that it is? Do you think we can fight over there but never get any blowback here?

It seems our masters have been very clever, not only have they made perptual war the norm, but stupidity as well.
 
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A great example of why these threads are so fucking tedious

That's not what Nelson Mandela said when he visited Britain.


Ah! I see, Corbyn actions were grandiose (you really are "central casting" reactionary, was he part of a "rent a mob"?) Where as Cameron was just "doing his job". Since when was "he was doing his job" a defence for anything?

You haven't made a point. Telling me what I wrote is not a point.

So let's look in to this trip, first off the bat, it wasn't a diplomatic trip, only foreign office organised trips have that status, he was not a member of the Diplomatic Corp nor was he a Member of Parliament .... The trip was in fact organised and funded by Strategy Network International (SNI), created in 1985 specifically to lobby against the imposition of sanctions on South Africa.
Alistair Cooke – in 1989 Cameron's boss at Tory Central Office – said it was "simply a jolly", adding: "It was all terribly relaxed, just a little treat, a perk of the job. The Botha regime was attempting to make itself look less horrible.

You haven't made a point. Describing the thing that I've already described is not making a point.

So Cameron's relaxing little Jolly, his little treat, his perk of the job, funded by a group set up to lobby against the imposition of sanctions on South Africa was "diplomatic" and he was "doing his actual job that he was actually employed for", where as "Corbyn was arrested for offending diplomats from another country and were the actions in no way of a rational man"!

You haven't made a point. Telling me what I wrote is not a point.

I'm staggered! These were diplomats of Aparthied South Africa! A regime not recognised by any Black African State, a rogue state that practiced brutal racial segragationist policies for decades, yet Corbyn getting arrested outside the round the clock vigil outside the South African Embassy was irrational but Cameron's sanction busting funded jolly when he worked for Tory Central Office was "diplomatic" Of course his guiding light then (as now) was Margaret Thatcher, who described the African National Congress as "a typical terrorist organisation" and fiercely opposed sanctions against the apartheid regime, but of course her South Africa policy was in part personal: her husband, Denis, had extensive business interests in the country.

You haven't made a point. Telling me again what I wrote and then comparing it to something else that I wrote is not a point no matter how many times you do this.

What a brave boy David was, flying in the face of his boss, diplomatically doing his job...blah, blah....When of course, he was doing none of those things

You haven't made a point. In fact the only thing you have added in this entire post except telling me what I already wrote was the last sentence. This is an extremely long winded post that could be cut down to "I disagree" and would have made the same statements.

I'm not sure lovely describes your position, show me someone who boasts of being free of "ideology" and can't tell the difference between shit and shinola and I'll show you a pro establishment, no nonsense, common sense, dim, deferential Tory.

You haven't made a point. Calling me a Tory because you disagree with me is not a point.

And this guy is one of the loudest voices on the Fake Left of Bluemoon. And I use Fake Left because they aren't actually supporting any left wing positions, they're just being wankers to people on the right politically. We don't really have a left wing on here, we just have a right wing and a "anything but the right wing" wing. These threads are going to go out in a blaze of glory extremely soon I imagine.
 
A great example of why these threads are so fucking tedious



You haven't made a point. Telling me what I wrote is not a point.



You haven't made a point. Describing the thing that I've already described is not making a point.



You haven't made a point. Telling me what I wrote is not a point.



You haven't made a point. Telling me again what I wrote and then comparing it to something else that I wrote is not a point no matter how many times you do this.



You haven't made a point. In fact the only thing you have added in this entire post except telling me what I already wrote was the last sentence. This is an extremely long winded post that could be cut down to "I disagree" and would have made the same statements.



You haven't made a point. Calling me a Tory because you disagree with me is not a point.

And this guy is one of the loudest voices on the Fake Left of Bluemoon. And I use Fake Left because they aren't actually supporting any left wing positions, they're just being wankers to people on the right politically. We don't really have a left wing on here, we just have a right wing and a "anything but the right wing" wing. These threads are going to go out in a blaze of glory extremely soon I imagine.

"Fake Left?" Is that like a "Fake Result?"

You're preposterous.
 
"Fake Left?" Is that like a "Fake Result?"

You're preposterous.

And you're thick as pigshit and a crap excuse for a left wing voice on here. You present liberalism as essentially "not conservatism" which is what it has been boiled down to on Bluemoon by you and your kind
 
When this country was at war with Germany, they dropped bombs on us, they killed our soldiers and civilians and we dropped bombs on them, and we killed their soldiers and civilians. This country has been at war since 2001 in Afghanistan, Iraq and now we're bombing Syria, but it doesn't feel like war for us, footy is still being played, Strictly on the telly, our masters have made perpetual war the norm, until it isn't.

Why does it surprise us when bombs go off in London? And when someone states this is the consequence of our wars in the Middle East why is that sedition and why do you believe that it is? Do you think we can fight over there but never get any blowback here?

It seems our masters have been very clever, not only have they made perptual war the norm, but stupidity as well.
What a load of nonsense. The last bombs to go off in London were 10 years ago and these were set off by 4 British people, not Afghans, Iraqis or Syrians. Hardly comparable to Germans bombing us during WW2.
 
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