Next Labour Leader - Miliband Resigns

[gordondaviesmoustache]

2012. Aguero 93:20?

I'm disappointed you felt you needed to even ask, Len.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Amazing the amount of fear and right wing vitriol this bloke is inspiring in people I know. I don't age with all his politics, but as with farage/ ukip I suspect a lot of folk will not like being told how to think by the political establishment and may vote accordingly.

 

[cibaman]

Didn't seem phased by this old crone.

That sort of question, complaining about insufficient spending by the government, would be meat and drink to Cameron. He would simply:

1 Read out a long list of Corbyn's spending commitments amounting to hundreds of billions

2 Describe various scary ways in which Corbyn would pay for them

3 Refer to Len McCluskey (whatever the question)

4 Quote Labour Party figures who disagree with Corbyn

5 Recite a couple of favourable stats (there are always some)

6 Sit down

 

[the god Gerry Gow]

That's not how he sees his role. The party decide policy, his job is to implement it.

So it doesn't matter which of the four no marks I vote for then

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

That sort of question, complaining about insufficient spending by the government, would be meat and drink to Cameron. He would simply:

1 Read out a long list of Corbyn's spending commitments amounting to hundreds of billions

2 Describe various scary ways in which Corbyn would pay for them

3 Refer to Len McCluskey (whatever the question)

4 Quote Labour Party figures who disagree with Corbyn

5 Recite a couple of favourable stats (there are always some)

6 Sit down

People's capacity to underestimate Cameron seems to be too directly in correlation with how much they dislike him. For all his shortcomings he is a hugely astute, canny political operator with a finely tuned instinct for survival. Anyone who thinks Corbyn will walk all over him is hugely mistaken.

 

[The perfect fumble]

That sort of question, complaining about insufficient spending by the government, would be meat and drink to Cameron. He would simply:

1 Read out a long list of Corbyn's spending commitments amounting to hundreds of billions

2 Describe various scary ways in which Corbyn would pay for them

3 Refer to Len McCluskey (whatever the question)

4 Quote Labour Party figures who disagree with Corbyn

5 Recite a couple of favourable stats (there are always some)

6 Sit down

In other words the politics of fear, you can play that card for only so long, then the backlash is "fuck it" and what you're seeing now is the beginnings of a "fuck it" backlash.

There are other statistics, we need X number of houses but they're never built, we need to move our economy away from financial services to manufacturing but it never happens, we need to see prosperity spread more evenly through the social classes and to the regions but far from that happening it gets worse, we need high skills training, infrastructure investment, transport and energy policy that works for the consumer and not the corporations, but guess what? We never get it.

If you want to understand why Corbyn has traction, it's right there.

 

[malg]

Amazing the amount of fear and right wing vitriol this bloke is inspiring in people I know. I don't age with all his politics, but as with farage/ ukip I suspect a lot of folk will not like being told how to think by the political establishment and may vote accordingly.

Most of the vitriol being banded around is from his own fucking party. Blair and Brown are hardly right wing. Just read this morning that if he wins they are now talking about their own MPs getting together to force another leadership election. The infighting is of epic proportions, and I standby a previous post where I said his biggest battle will be getting his own MPs to stand by him.

 

[Henkeman]

 

[hgblue]

Amazing the amount of fear and right wing vitriol this bloke is inspiring in people I know. I don't age with all his politics, but as with farage/ ukip I suspect a lot of folk will not like being told how to think by the political establishment and may vote accordingly.

Yeah, quite a few will vote for him just like quite a few voted UKIP. That's not the issue though. Are enough going to vote for him to win an election? Not a chance.

 

[cibaman]

In other words the politics of fear, you can play that card for only so long, then the backlash is "fuck it" and what you're seeing now is the beginnings of a "fuck it" backlash.

There are other statistics, we need X number of houses but they're never built, we need to move our economy away from financial services to manufacturing but it never happens, we need to see prosperity spread more evenly through the social classes and to the regions but far from that happening it gets worse, we need high skills training, infrastructure investment, transport and energy policy that works for the consumer and not the corporations, but guess what? We never get it.

If you want to understand why Corbyn has traction, it's right there.

Nearly every time one of the main parties changes its leaders there's talk about changing the tone of PMQs. Even Cameron suggested it when he was up against Blair, who he feared. He changed his tune when when facing Brown and Milliband. Its always claimed that the voters do not like the argie bargie, but then they go and vote for whoever is best at the argie bargie.